I2a-Din came to the Balkans and Dinaric Alps with the Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians

[don_joe]

That's quite terrible argumentation. High degree of corruption is problem of all post-socialist countries, from Russia to Albania, and absolutely not related with being balkan or not.
As for nationalism, are Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, and lately Austria part of balkan too ? Because their governments are several degrees more nationalist than current croatian is (please check their offical stance towards non-European immigration and compare it with Croatian). If you aren't aware, current centre-right government of Croatia formed coalition with left-liberals, who are complete opposite of nationalist.

Leaving the country to survive ? Oh, I see, than million of Spaniards, southern Italians and Poles are balkanites too, aren't they ? Social problems you are talking about have no relation with cultral and historical belonging to balkans, which you again reduce to povertry and backwardness.

Quite prejudiced, I'd say.

For your last sentence, have you learned history ? For you understand fundamental differences between Byzantine and Frankish state concents ? Are you aware, Croats grew from former Frankish vassals to their indipendent Kingdom ? Do you understand, our state and political traditions differ radicaly from, Serbian or Bulgarian ones ?

I need to know do you posses basic historical knowldge before continuing debate with you.

Even if I prove to you that I indeed have some basic historical knowledge, you would twist it again to try to prove your point, involving everybody from Attila the Hun to Merovingian dynasty. The manner how you do it is far from polite. I'm not going to insult. One should only read your posts and compare that what you assert to the facts which are available in internet. Just look at the map of Balkan Peninsula. Hello...what Franks and their vassals are you talking about?

Here I have something for you:

Corruption perceptions index

http://emerging-europe.com/voices/vo...ing-economies/

European competitiveness index

http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/E...ompetitiveness

Did you find Croatia? Where did you start your search, on the top or on the bottom? What success are you talking about? Just click through a few informative pages before you come here and spread fake news and alternative history of civilisations.

[Dumidre]

Balkan is a term with plenty of meanings.

Is Croatia a Balkan country/nation?


Historically? No.

Culturally? No. (with few exceptions)

Confessionally? No.

Politically? No.

Linguistically? No.

Self-declaratively? No.

Geographically? Only partly, if we accept the strict geographical definition, which is dubious.

And the most relevant for this thread - genetically?



So, Croatia is not part of the Balkans, I get it. Let's move on...
The thread is about how I2-Din was brought to the Balkans...

[ihype02]

Honestly even though I do not like the idea but South Slavs look very different from the northern ones.

[hrvat22]

Honestly even though I do not like the idea but South Slavs look very different from the northern ones.

We are mixed with Albanians and Vlachs and that's why we are different.

[Blood of Prosara]

Where did I write something negative about Balkan? That about the goverment was to emphasise that it has more similarities with other Balkan governments than with the most of other European ones. I don't need to go into further detail. Let me see, where do you have your definition of Balkan and Balkan culture and history? Maybe you could teach me something. Clear the difference for me please, why is Croatian cultural background different than that of the Balkans?

I can teach you something. There is an older name for Balkan and that is Helm. Which name foreigners use for it isn't of too much importance to us. We are used to nice foreign words like sciavo, slave, serf, and such.

[don_joe]

I can teach you something. There is an older name for Balkan and that is Helm. Which name foreigners use for it isn't of too much importance to us. We are used to nice foreign words like sciavo, slave, serf, and such.

Sorry, I don't understand you. Slav is an indigenous slavic word. It comes from "sloviti" or to talk, so did the Slavs call themselves. It's the opposite of "Nijemci", which means mute, like he or she doesn't speak our language and which is even today a slavic word for Germans. Helm is a btw a german word for a helmet. I've never heard it being used for the Balkans. But maybe you can teach me.

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[gidai]

Yes. My Hg is G2a - Z29424 negativ to all subgroups TMRCA 3200 years - paleo-balkanic origin. (...)

We are on the same path. I am G2a - P303 but very likely L13. I do not know beyond that. My grandparents are from the south. Is it not believed that the Cucutenians had a strong G2 component besides I2? It would not be surprising that the Dacians had also a significant proportion of G2a. Bigger that it is here today.

[gidai]

I see that too much discussions focus on the spread of haplogroups, but this represent very little of the human genome. I think this haplogroups are losing on the road very quickly and making room for others who thrive on the same genetic background.
Probably the most important are the autosomal variations?

[Bimi]

How did an I2a3* alpine (L233-) man end up in the Pisa region of Tuscany, any suggestions or info on this branch would be much appreciated. Which migrations could have brought it and where is it most frequent?

I belong to I2a3* Alpine, what is his family name, is he of arberesh (medieval albanian) origin?

[Dibran]

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