JajarBingan
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R1B (Italy and Southern Europe)
I don't even know if you are baiting at this point.
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R1B (Italy and Southern Europe)
Region/Haplogroup | I1 | I2b1 | I2*+I2b2 | I2a | R1a | R1b | G | J2 | J* + J1 | E1b1b | T | L | Q | Total |
Abruzzo | (3) | (2) | (0) | (1) | 5 | 38 | 9 | 22 | 6 | 11 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 107 |
3% | 2% | 0% | 1% | 4.5% | 35.5% | 8.5% | 21% | 5.5% | 10.5% | 5.5% | 3% | 0% | ||
Apulia | (10) | (4) | (1) | (15) | 13 | 117 | 52 | 94 | 13 | 82 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 426 |
2.5% | 1% | 0% | 3.5% | 3% | 27.5% | 12% | 22% | 3% | 19% | 1.5% | 0% | 0% | ||
Basilicata | (2) | (1) | (0) | (7) | 3 | 29 | 10 | 17 | 2 | 23 | (6) | 0 | 0 | 104 |
2% | 1% | 0% | 6.5% | 3% | 28% | 9.5% | 16.5% | 2% | 22% | 6% | 0% | 0% | ||
Calabria | (4) | (1) | (0) | (2) | 5 | 48 | 18 | 54 | 9 | 30 | (4) | (3) | 2 | 182 |
2% | 0.5% | 0% | 1% | 2.5% | 26.5% | 10% | 29.5% | 5% | 16.5% | 2% | 1.5% | 1% | ||
Campania | (6) | (2) | (1) | (9) | 6 | 62 | 24 | 38 | 13 | 34 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 214 |
3% | 1% | 0.5% | 4% | 3% | 29% | 11% | 18% | 6% | 16% | 4% | 0% | 0% | ||
Emilia-Romagna | 9 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 97 | 17 | 28 | 3 | 31 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 192 |
5% | 0% | 0% | 0.5% | 1% | 50.5% | 9% | 14.5% | 1.5% | 16% | 1% | 0% | 0% | ||
Friuli-Venezia Giulia | 10 | 1 | 6 | 19 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 47 | ||
21.5% | 2% | 13% | 40.5% | 4% | 10.5% | 0% | 6.5% | 0% | 2% | 0% | ||||
Latium | (33) | (6) | (6) | (4) | 8 | 112 | 43 | 72 | 7 | 63 | 18 | 0 | 7 | 386 |
8.5% | 1.5% | 1.5% | 1% | 2% | 29% | 11% | 18.5% | 2% | 16.5% | 4.5% | 0% | 2% | ||
Liguria | 5 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 60 | 12 | 12 | 4 | 22 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 125 |
4% | 0% | 1.5% | 2.5% | 1% | 48% | 9.5% | 9.5% | 3% | 17.5% | 1.5% | 1% | 0% | ||
Lombardy | 2 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 47 | 8 | 5 | 0 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 80 |
2.5% | 1% | 4% | 1% | 4% | 59% | 10% | 6% | 0% | 10% | 1% | 0% | 0% | ||
Marches | (5) | (5) | (0) | (7) | 8 | 83 | 19 | 60 | 16 | 32 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 245 |
2% | 2% | 0% | 3% | 3% | 34% | 8% | 24.5% | 6.5% | 13% | 2.5% | 0.5% | 0% | ||
Molise | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 29 |
14% | 3.5% | 3.5% | 3.5% | 0% | 24% | 24% | 10.5% | 3.5% | 14% | 0% | 0% | 0% | ||
Piedmont | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 16 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 30 |
3.5% | 0% | 7% | 0% | 3.5% | 53.5% | 10% | 6.5% | 3.5% | 6.5% | 3.5% | 0% | 0% | ||
Sardinia | (4) | (24) | (20) | 864 | 28 | 423 | 274 | 202 | 89 | 218 | (40) | (7) | (3) | 2293 |
0% | 1% | 1% | 37.5% | 1% | 18.5% | 12% | 9% | 4% | 9.5% | 1.5% | 0.5% | 0% | ||
Sicily | (22) | (5) | (1) | (19) | 29 | 169 | 54 | 149 | 33 | 133 | 25 | 1 | 7 | 653 |
3.5% | 1% | 0% | 3% | 4.5% | 26% | 8.5% | 23% | 3.5% | 20.5% | 4% | 0% | 1% | ||
Tuscany | (14) | (6) | (4) | 5 | 15 | 200 | 34 | 44 | 7 | 35 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 380 |
4% | 1.5% | 1% | 1.5% | 4% | 52.5% | 9% | 11.5% | 2% | 9% | 2% | 0.5% | 0% | ||
Trentino-South Tyrol | (99) | 29 | 267 | (16) | (41) | (0) | 34 | 18 | 14 | - | 523 | |||
21% | 5.5% | 47.5% | 3% | 8% | 0% | 6.5% | 3.5% | 2.5% | - | |||||
Umbria | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 14 | 6 | 9 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 37 |
2.5% | 0% | 2.5% | 0% | 0% | 38% | 16% | 24.5% | 5.5% | 8% | 0% | 0% | 0% | ||
Veneto | 8 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 38 | 5 | 15 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 92 |
8.5% | 0% | 1% | 0% | 2% | 41.5% | 5.5% | 16.5% | 1% | 13% | 2% | 6.5% | 0% |
I would explain, but I have a feeling that you know that already.According to the written evidence, the whole of Dalmatia was said to have been overrun by the Slavs about 641/2.
https://books.google.com/books?id=J...AA#v=onepage&q=slavs overrun dalmatia&f=false
Then who were those Slavs that overran Dalmatia?
According to the written evidence, the whole of Dalmatia was said to have been overrun by the Slavs about 641/2.
https://books.google.com/books?id=J...AA#v=onepage&q=slavs overrun dalmatia&f=false
Then who were these Slavs that overran Dalmatia?
Who are these mysterious people?
Mysterious people are Mesolithic survivors: I-CTS10228 carriers.
We can see now new data, what is written is confirmed.
TMRCA for Alsace carrier is 3800 years!
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/
It corresponds our knowledge that movement of I-CTS10228 carriers was from West toward East not in opposite direction.
It is clear that I-CTS10228 is not Slavic. Therefore construction of the whole haplogroup as "I2a-Slav" is stupid.
And I-CTS10228 came to the Balkans much before Slavs.
I-A2512 found in Greece, TMRCA 2200 years, nothing to do with Slavs.
Bastarnae is the best candidate for these Mesolithic survivors. And Bastarnae first time arrived to the Balkans, deep in the Thracian territory, 179 BC, 30,000 people. Later Bastarnae settled Balkans in much bigger numbers.
Maybe or maybe not. There is no factual confirmation as of yet for your speculations as no ancient I-CTS10228 has yet been found in the Balkans. No one knows when it arrived. The date of its TMRCA is also not conclusive as it could have a TMRCA of 2200 years and still have arrived in the Balkans with Slavic speakers.
I realize you desperately want this to be true, Garrick, and that's fine, but newbies shouldn't be misled into thinking that there is any proof as of yet.
Maybe or maybe not. There is no factual confirmation as of yet for your speculations as no ancient I-CTS10228 has yet been found in the Balkans. No one knows when it arrived. The date of its TMRCA is also not conclusive as it could have a TMRCA of 2200 years and still have arrived in the Balkans with Slavic speakers.
I realize you desperately want this to be true, Garrick, and that's fine, but newbies shouldn't be misled into thinking that there is any proof as of yet.
Mysterious people are Mesolithic survivors: I-CTS10228 carriers.
We can see now new data, what is written is confirmed.
TMRCA for Alsace carrier is 3800 years!
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/
It corresponds our knowledge that movement of I-CTS10228 carriers was from West toward East not in opposite direction.
It is clear that I-CTS10228 is not Slavic. Therefore construction of the whole haplogroup as "I2a-Slav" is stupid.
And I-CTS10228 came to the Balkans much before Slavs.
I-A2512 found in Greece, TMRCA 2200 years, nothing to do with Slavs.
Bastarnae is the best candidate for these Mesolithic survivors. And Bastarnae first time arrived to the Balkans, deep in the Thracian territory, 179 BC, 30,000 people. Later Bastarnae settled Balkans in much bigger numbers.
Illyrian homeland from late bronze-age to early iron-age...
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