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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    Do you have any sources for your statement?
    Yes, a science book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyricum View Post
    Yes, a science book
    Could you share the title? The author?
    That's what people usually mean when they ask you for a source.

    It's funny, because your previous response read like " no one really knows, but I have read it in a book". So how does the guy that wrote the book know?
    “Man cannot live without a permanent trust in something indestructible in himself, and at the same time that indestructible something as well as his trust in it may remain permanently concealed from him.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Could you share the title? The author?
    That's what people usually mean when they ask you for a source.

    It's funny, because your previous response read like " no one really knows, but I have read it in a book". So how does the guy that wrote the book know?
    nobody is sure exactly, but according to Milanović's book I forgot the name of the book which is very well sourced and which speaks in general about the Balkan population, and the Paleo-Balkan peoples and the ancient Balkan cultures. I have to see the exact sentence about the Wallachians

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    ah here it is : Genetics of Old and New Europe

    The origin of the people of Southeast Europe

    they talk about the Dardanians, that may interest you

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    I can't find it on the internet. Who is Milanovic?

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    I'm sorry I'm tired with work it's Jovan Marjanović, the book is in Serbian at the moment

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    Yes that's fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    I can't find it on the internet. Who is Milanovic?


    http://www.vemirc.com/en/books/genet...nd-new-europe/


    Seems sus.

    Self published, no peer reviews anywhere, and the only books in English seem to be the ones claiming to break the 2nd laws of thermodynamics . Pannonian Atlantis seems like a cool title though ngl, oh also Gravity Machines.

    ... check his paper:

    https://www.pendulum-lever.com/docs/...y_Machines.pdf

    @Illyricum if you have the book in PDF I am willing to check excerpts with google translate.
    Does this Marjanovic guy subscribe to that Russian "geneticist" who claims Homo Sapiens originated in Northern Russia?

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    [QUOTE = Archetype0ne; 624864]

    http://www.vemirc.com/en/books/genet...nd-new-europe/


    Semble sus.

    Auto-édité, aucune revue par les pairs nulle part, et les seuls livres en anglais semblent être ceux qui prétendent enfreindre les 2e lois de la thermodynamique . Pannonian Atlantis semble être un titre cool bien que ngl, oh aussi Gravity Machines.

    ... consultez son article:

    https://www.pendulum-lever.com/docs/...y_Machines.pdf

    @Illyricum si vous avez le livre en PDF, je suis prêt à vérifier des extraits avec google translate.
    Ce type de Marjanovic souscrit-il à ce "généticien" russe qui prétend qu'Homo Sapiens est originaire du nord de la Russie? [/ QUOTE]

    Veljko Milkovic I don't know
    it's Jovan D Marjanovic
    in PDF no you have to pay I have the book, and no it doesn't claim that the Homo-Sapiens come from russia where you got that from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyricum View Post

    Veljko Milkovic I don't know
    it's Jovan D Marjanovic
    in PDF no you have to pay I have the book, and no it doesn't claim that the Homo-Sapiens come from russia where you got that from?



    http://www.vemirc.com/en/books/genet...nd-new-europe/




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov#Career




    Mon ami, réalisez-vous que vous pouvez trouver des réponses satisfaisantes à vos questions d'anthropologie en lisant des auteurs et des publications plus établis?

    Either way, if you have an honest and genuine interest in this field you will go a long way, it just requires some critical thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post



    http://www.vemirc.com/en/books/genet...nd-new-europe/




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatole_Klyosov#Career




    Mon ami, réalisez-vous que vous pouvez trouver des réponses satisfaisantes à vos questions d'anthropologie en lisant des auteurs et des publications plus établis?

    Either way, if you have an honest and genuine interest in this field you will go a long way, it just requires some critical thinking.
    I do not understand in fact who said that Homos Sapiens would be of origin from Russia?, For Jovan D Marjanović his book is very well detailed but I have never seen in his book that he makes a mention that the 'homo-sapiens would be from Russia, for Klyosov I know he said that the Aryans will be from Europe and that they are strongly of haplogroup R1a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyricum View Post
    I do not understand in fact who said that Homos Sapiens would be of origin from Russia?, For Jovan D Marjanović his book is very well detailed but I have never seen in his book that he makes a mention that the 'homo-sapiens would be from Russia, for Klyosov I know he said that the Aryans will be from Europe and that they are strongly of haplogroup R1a
    Aryans ?! In what sense?

    Never mind really, this is going completely off topic. I would rather not know.

    But if you are referring to North Indian IE peoples pre Vedic times " Although the root *arya- may be of Proto-Indo-European (PIE) origin,[8] its use as an ethnocultural self-designation is only attested among Indo-Iranian peoples, and it is not known if PIE speakers had a term to designate themselves as 'Proto-Indo-Europeans'. In any case, scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an Aryan was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.[9][10][11]"

    If you are referring to the XIX-XX "racial" definition... Yeah... I would rather not. Especially since by that definition Slavs were not really Aryan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Aryans ?! In what sense?

    Never mind really, this is going completely off topic. I would rather not know.

    But if you are referring to North Indian IE peoples pre Vedic times " Although the root *arya- may be of Proto-Indo-European (PIE) origin,[8] its use as an ethnocultural self-designation is only attested among Indo-Iranian peoples, and it is not known if PIE speakers had a term to designate themselves as 'Proto-Indo-Europeans'. In any case, scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an Aryan was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.[9][10][11]"

    If you are referring to the XIX-XX "racial" definition... Yeah... I would rather not. Especially since by that definition Slavs were not really Aryan.
    This is why I do not go into details, me what interests me is the origin of the Serbs their three haplogroup nothing more nothing less, in what sense no idea that did not me too much interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyricum View Post
    This is why I do not go into details, me what interests me is the origin of the Serbs their three haplogroup nothing more nothing less, in what sense no idea that did not me too much interested.
    The simplest explanation would be that R1a and I2a came from medieval Croats and Bulgarian Slavs, E1b from Romans and early Albanians. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    The simplest explanation would be that R1a and I2a came from medieval Croats and Bulgarian Slavs, E1b from Romans and early Albanians. ;)
    Can you elaborate on the "Bulgarian Slavs" part, please?

    My main question all the time the same: but who were the I2a people before the White Croat or Slavic ethnogenesis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szigmund View Post
    Can you elaborate on the "Bulgarian Slavs" part, please?
    Take it as a convention to express that some Slavs were part of the Bulgian (non Slavic) society durring early middle ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Szigmund View Post
    My main question all the time the same: but who were the I2a people before the White Croat or Slavic ethnogenesis?
    The Slavic branch of I2a people is quite young. Durring the formation of protoslavs the number of I2a carriers could have been insignificant in terms of "nations" or "ethnicities". Unless we find a direct evidence that the earlies clades of that haplogroups belonged to cultures other than Slavic, we should consider I2a-Y3120 Slavic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    The simplest explanation would be that R1a and I2a came from medieval Croats and Bulgarian Slavs, E1b from Romans and early Albanians. ;)
    uh I don't think so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyricum View Post
    uh I don't think so
    I can understand that. However, in 7-9th century Dalmatia we can't see other archeological cultures beside Croatian and local Roman ones. It seems that even Serbian archeologists have difficulties to find traces of Serbs in that period as well.

    I've just used Occam's rasor. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    I can understand that. However, in 7-9th century Dalmatia we can't see other archeological cultures beside Croatian and local Roman ones. It seems that even Serbian archeologists have difficulties to find traces of Serbs in that period as well.

    I've just used Occam's rasor. That's all.
    but you cannot say that the I2 is brought by the Croats nor the R1a, you will understand later when I finish my translation

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