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Thread: I2a-Din came to the Balkans and Dinaric Alps with the Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaktikatEMalet View Post
    Youre obsessed with aromanians and now a grammar nazi
    Read this article and understand it can be said both ways, my way is shorter -
    https://www.faktor.al/2020/07/18/ngj...-kerkosh-gjen/
    Tashi shko gjej nje pune ore majmun, bol pive cafe dhe cigare gjith diten e dites se na prishe shtetin, na more fund fare. Dembel muti
    boll* not bol, bol means fat person, na more fund does not make sense. You can say for yourself ‘mora fund’ but not imply that I’m making you ‘te marresh fund’.

    It’s only ‘taktikat e maleve’, there’s no short or long version, there’s a correct and incorrect one. It’s maleve, just like it’s shkurreve, kodrave, and pidhrobshave nga Berati :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaktikatEMalet View Post
    Did you see the charts above at all? Youre obsessed with throwing all i2a into slavic, you can see that dinaric north has greater diversity in albania and greece so it likely travelled with a prior group before slavs moved south
    Are you even aware that i2a was born in europe 25,000+ years ago and WHG were i2a? It is the uber european line so who the heck wouldnt be proud of it? Most slavs wish they had it but are stuck with r1a
    You're really ignorant about alot I'm afraid. And I say that with no disrespect. Genetics can get confusing with all the subclades, haplotypes, etc. I-Y3120 represents 1 subclade of I2a. The age of I2a being 25k years is irrelevant with regard to the specific lineage we're discussing.
    I-Y3120 is a subclade of CTS10228, and has a tmrca of 2200ybp.

    It traces back to one man roughly around 200BCE and its most diverse in Polesie. R-L1029 follws a similar scenario and overlaps with the region of Polesie where diversity of I-Y3120 falls just east of its diversity zone. Y1320 is almost entirely found in Slavic people and its Germanic relative upstream formed 1400BCE. This is represented by I-Y81696. Same ancestor dates to a bronze age split before the proto-Celts and Proto-Germanic group. Y3120 together with R-L1029 were nearly entirely incorporated into the Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis before the migration even occurred.

    Are there some singleton branches that could be related to atypical cross assimilation of these lines in Goths or Bastarnae?? Perhaps. I wouldn't deny it. The reality is most haplotypes(and that included dinaric north and south together) were bottlenecks and expanded with Slavic tribes.

    There was a Y3120 among the Magyar elite who apparently shared a subclade with a Albanian, Bulgarian and Greek. Though this was rare and likely an assimilated Proto-Slav. Steppe tribes were like the Horde in War craft. They mixed and absorbed with everything.

    The overwhelming majority of these lines expanded with Slavs. By now there's obviously subclades that were part of the Albanian ethnogenesis like R-Y133367 and R-FT205939 under L1029, and likely subclades under Y3120 specific to Albanians.

    However, arguing for Y3120 being more diverse and older in Albanians and Greeks than J2b/E-V13/R1b is false. Most R1a/I2a in Albanians was absorbed in the early medieval, late phase of Proto-Albanian development, somewhere within the Komani Culture. Two waves, one Serbo-Croatian Slavic tribes and the other Bulgaro-Macedonian tribes. R1a in NW is more commonly Z280. Like Serbo-Croatians. R-L1029 is more common in Eastern and South Eastern Albanian R1a, mostly of Bulgaro-Macedonian Slavic tribes.

    Denying Slavs played major role in the late phase of Proto-Albanian enthnogenesis is to deny their existence. Proto-Slavs were not only R1a the same way Illyrians were not only J2b-L283.

    There's more L1029 in West and NW Europe and even 2 of 3 ancient samples being within the Hallstatt/La Tene sphere. And even then, they're dead end branches and one singleton under L1029. This does not negate its overwhleming majority and later aDNA samples being Slavic.
    This includes Y3120.

    Heatmaps don't capture diversity. Not entirely. It can just as easily reflect bottlenecks and founder effects. Which is exactly what it is in the South. Older more diverse haplotypes are north east of the Carpathians. And in absolute numbers I-Y3120 is higher in Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    You're really ignorant about alot I'm afraid. And I say that with no disrespect. Genetics can get confusing with all the subclades, haplotypes, etc. I-Y3120 represents 1 subclade of I2a. The age of I2a being 25k years is irrelevant with regard to the specific lineage we're discussing.
    I-Y3120 is a subclade of CTS10228, and has a tmrca of 2200ybp.
    It traces back to one man roughly around 200BCE and its most diverse in Polesie. R-L1029 follws a similar scenario and overlaps with the region of Polesie where diversity of I-Y3120 falls just east of its diversity zone. Y1320 is almost entirely found in Slavic people and its Germanic relative upstream formed 1400BCE. This is represented by I-Y81696. Same ancestor dates to a bronze age split before the proto-Celts and Proto-Germanic group. Y3120 together with R-L1029 were nearly entirely incorporated into the Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis before the migration even occurred.
    Are there some singleton branches that could be related to atypical cross assimilation of these lines in Goths or Bastarnae?? Perhaps. I wouldn't deny it. The reality is most haplotypes(and that included dinaric north and south together) were bottlenecks and expanded with Slavic tribes.
    There was a Y3120 among the Magyar elite who apparently shared a subclade with a Albanian, Bulgarian and Greek. Though this was rare and likely an assimilated Proto-Slav. Steppe tribes were like the Horde in War craft. They mixed and absorbed with everything.
    The overwhelming majority of these lines expanded with Slavs. By now there's obviously subclades that were part of the Albanian ethnogenesis like R-Y133367 and R-FT205939 under L1029, and likely subclades under Y3120 specific to Albanians.
    However, arguing for Y3120 being more diverse and older in Albanians and Greeks than J2b/E-V13/R1b is false. Most R1a/I2a in Albanians was absorbed in the early medieval, late phase of Proto-Albanian development, somewhere within the Komani Culture. Two waves, one Serbo-Croatian Slavic tribes and the other Bulgaro-Macedonian tribes. R1a in NW is more commonly Z280. Like Serbo-Croatians. R-L1029 is more common in Eastern and South Eastern Albanian R1a, mostly of Bulgaro-Macedonian Slavic tribes.
    Denying Slavs played major role in the late phase of Proto-Albanian enthnogenesis is to deny their existence. Proto-Slavs were not only R1a the same way Illyrians were not only J2b-L283.
    There's more L1029 in West and NW Europe and even 2 of 3 ancient samples being within the Hallstatt/La Tene sphere. And even then, they're dead end branches and one singleton under L1029. This does not negate its overwhleming majority and later aDNA samples being Slavic.
    This includes Y3120.
    Heatmaps don't capture diversity. Not entirely. It can just as easily reflect bottlenecks and founder effects. Which is exactly what it is in the South. Older more diverse haplotypes are north east of the Carpathians. And in absolute numbers I-Y3120 is higher in Ukraine.
    The dude can’t even spell his own name. You really expect him to absorb all that information? He’s probably going to speak about Pyrrhus of Epirus soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    boll* not bol, bol means fat person, na more fund does not make sense. You can say for yourself ‘mora fund’ but not imply that I’m making you ‘te marresh fund’.
    It’s only ‘taktikat e maleve’, there’s no short or long version, there’s a correct and incorrect one. It’s maleve, just like it’s shkurreve, kodrave, and pidhrobshave nga Berati :)
    First of all understand that autocorrect is a thing on phones

    Then go do something useful with your life like teach grammar at a school instead of sitting on your ass drinking coffee all day, dembel muti me mbriemer muhamuti

    Berat = arbereshe = uber albanian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    You're really ignorant about alot I'm afraid. And I say that with no disrespect. Genetics can get confusing with all the subclades, haplotypes, etc. I-Y3120 represents 1 subclade of I2a. The age of I2a being 25k years is irrelevant with regard to the specific lineage we're discussing.
    I-Y3120 is a subclade of CTS10228, and has a tmrca of 2200ybp.
    It traces back to one man roughly around 200BCE and its most diverse in Polesie. R-L1029 follws a similar scenario and overlaps with the region of Polesie where diversity of I-Y3120 falls just east of its diversity zone. Y1320 is almost entirely found in Slavic people and its Germanic relative upstream formed 1400BCE. This is represented by I-Y81696. Same ancestor dates to a bronze age split before the proto-Celts and Proto-Germanic group. Y3120 together with R-L1029 were nearly entirely incorporated into the Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis before the migration even occurred.
    Are there some singleton branches that could be related to atypical cross assimilation of these lines in Goths or Bastarnae?? Perhaps. I wouldn't deny it. The reality is most haplotypes(and that included dinaric north and south together) were bottlenecks and expanded with Slavic tribes.
    There was a Y3120 among the Magyar elite who apparently shared a subclade with a Albanian, Bulgarian and Greek. Though this was rare and likely an assimilated Proto-Slav. Steppe tribes were like the Horde in War craft. They mixed and absorbed with everything.
    The overwhelming majority of these lines expanded with Slavs. By now there's obviously subclades that were part of the Albanian ethnogenesis like R-Y133367 and R-FT205939 under L1029, and likely subclades under Y3120 specific to Albanians.
    However, arguing for Y3120 being more diverse and older in Albanians and Greeks than J2b/E-V13/R1b is false. Most R1a/I2a in Albanians was absorbed in the early medieval, late phase of Proto-Albanian development, somewhere within the Komani Culture. Two waves, one Serbo-Croatian Slavic tribes and the other Bulgaro-Macedonian tribes. R1a in NW is more commonly Z280. Like Serbo-Croatians. R-L1029 is more common in Eastern and South Eastern Albanian R1a, mostly of Bulgaro-Macedonian Slavic tribes.
    Denying Slavs played major role in the late phase of Proto-Albanian enthnogenesis is to deny their existence. Proto-Slavs were not only R1a the same way Illyrians were not only J2b-L283.
    There's more L1029 in West and NW Europe and even 2 of 3 ancient samples being within the Hallstatt/La Tene sphere. And even then, they're dead end branches and one singleton under L1029. This does not negate its overwhleming majority and later aDNA samples being Slavic.
    This includes Y3120.
    Heatmaps don't capture diversity. Not entirely. It can just as easily reflect bottlenecks and founder effects. Which is exactly what it is in the South. Older more diverse haplotypes are north east of the Carpathians. And in absolute numbers I-Y3120 is higher in Ukraine.
    So much wrong with this post

    1. All i2a are descendents of WHG males, doesnt matter who lived when. This means we were in europe first and are still here today
    2. I already stated that most i2a in south europe is from the slavic migration just like r1a
    3. Dinaric north is rare in south slavic nations - this is a fact and it is more diverse in greece and albania. This means there is the possibility that it moved to south europe prior to south slavic migration with a different group (bastarnae, goths, dacians, celts etc)
    4. No one said i2a is more diverse in albania than v13, r1b, j2b etc
    5. Ukraine was part of the dacian world and inhabited by bastarnae, celts, goths etc at various times before the slavs moved in

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaktikatEMalet View Post
    First of all understand that autocorrect is a thing on phones
    Then go do something useful with your life like teach grammar at a school instead of sitting on your ass drinking coffee all day, dembel muti me mbriemer muhamuti
    Berat = arbereshe = uber albanian
    Berat = Belgrade = uber Slavic.
    I2a-Din North = Bulgarian = uber Slavic

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaktikatEMalet View Post
    First of all understand that autocorrect is a thing on phones
    Then go do something useful with your life like teach grammar at a school instead of sitting on your ass drinking coffee all day, dembel muti me mbriemer muhamuti
    Berat = arbereshe = uber albanian
    Ore ti! Çfarë janë këto muhabete që bën? Ç'punë ke ti me përkatësinë fetare apo origjinën krahinore? Nuk e shikon që ai është kafshë kokëtrash? Lëre këtë muhabet se është turp dhe na nxorët bojën faqe botës. Atë do ndreqësh ti? Ai është idiot. Mbylle këtë muhabet. Lëre të lehi si qen dhe mos ju përgjigj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Ore ti! Çfarë janë këto muhabete që bën? Ç'punë ke ti me përkatësinë fetare apo origjinën krahinore? Nuk e shikon që ai është kafshë kokëtrash? Lëre këtë muhabet se është turp dhe na nxorët bojën faqe botës. Atë do ndreqësh ti? Ai është idiot. Mbylle këtë muhabet. Lëre të lehi si qen dhe mos ju përgjigj.
    Ti na rregullo do motrakushurina fierake si baxhellat konviktore ma tmira tiu rrasim rakun koktrrash te malokut. Aq dun njato baxhellat e fisit tuj, tek sanduic, nja 2 viza e dajak nkar si rrac gabeli sterr qe jeni.

    Ere* for you, only Vlora has the right to say ore. Typical Vlonjat wannabes all over Fieri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    Ti na rregullo do motrakushurina fierake si baxhellat konviktore ma tmira tiu rrasim rakun koktrrash te malokut. Aq dun njato baxhellat e fisit tuj, tek sanduic, nja 2 viza e dajak nkar si rrac gabeli sterr qe jeni.

    Ere* for you, only Vlora has the right to say ore. Typical Vlonjat wannabes all over Fieri.
    Kur mendon që të vish këtu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Kur mendon që të vish këtu?
    Fismidhje, clean your inbox. I have some inquiries for you since I’m going to Folie Marine and I need company from Fieri.

    In the meantime, are you also an I2a-Din Vlach?

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    Calm down guys.
    Dushman are you aware of the fact that I2a (be it the 'Slavic' 3400 ypb, I-CTS10228 or every other subclade under I2a or even the generic I2/I1) is indeed the most genuine and 'autochthonous' - yeah, we (Albanians) love this word buddy! - European Haplogroup !?

    Now if someone does not like the fact that every subclade under I-CTS10228 is Slavic, than its his own damn problem, but facts are facts, 'stubborn' and explicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exercitus View Post
    Calm down guys.
    Dushman are you aware of the fact that I2a (be it the 'Slavic' 3400 ypb, I-CTS10228 or every other subclade under I2a or even the generic I2/I1) is indeed the most genuine and 'autochthonous' - yeah, we (Albanians) love this word buddy! - European Haplogroup !?
    Now if someone does not like the fact that every subclade under I-CTS10228 is Slavic, than its his own damn problem, but facts are facts, 'stubborn' and explicit.
    Yes, I’m aware.

    Good luck convincing other members who get defensive about their own haplogroup.

    So try to console them that having I2a it’s ok, they don’t have to have an Illyrian paternal ancestor to be Albanian.

    The problem is they want to be more Albanian and Illyrian than us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    Fismidhje, clean your inbox. I have some inquiries for you since I’m going to Folie Marine and I need company from Fieri.
    In the meantime, are you also an I2a-Din Vlach?
    E po kur mësove edhe ti Folie Marine o fshatar qelbur. Pse je kaq mashkull pa këllqe? Përse nuk përgjigjesh në privat po hapesh bythësh këtu? Megjithatë, sipas edhe ta thashë mua gati më ke, në daç hajde këtu,në daç të vij unë atje në pidh të arushës ku rri ti dhe kullot lopën, vetëm thuaj, hap gojën. Dhe siç edhe ta thashë në mesazh, problemi jot është se e ke babanë bythqir, sepse ai të ka bërë kështu si vetja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    Fismidhje, clean your inbox. I have some inquiries for you since I’m going to Folie Marine and I need company from Fieri.
    In the meantime, are you also an I2a-Din Vlach?
    E po kur mësove edhe ti Folie Marine o fshatar qelbur. Pse je kaq mashkull pa këllqe? Përse nuk përgjigjesh në privat po hapesh bythësh këtu? Megjithatë, sipas edhe ta thashë mua gati më ke, në daç hajde këtu,në daç të vij unë atje në pidh të arushës ku rri ti dhe kullot lopën, vetëm thuaj, hap gojën. Dhe siç edhe ta thashë në mesazh, problemi jot është se e ke babanë bythqir, sepse ai të ka bërë kështu si vetja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    E po kur mësove edhe ti Folie Marine o fshatar qelbur. Pse je kaq mashkull pa këllqe? Përse nuk përgjigjesh në privat po hapesh bythësh këtu? Megjithatë, sipas edhe ta thashë mua gati më ke, në daç hajde këtu,në daç të vij unë atje në pidh të arushës ku rri ti dhe kullot lopën, vetëm thuaj, hap gojën. Dhe siç edhe ta thashë në mesazh, problemi jot është se e ke babanë bythqir, sepse ai të ka bërë kështu si vetja.
    You can't speak English and call me a villager? Lol

    O ta shkerdhesha fisin nbyth nuk tshkruj dot se ta mush Inbox plot o moterbaxhell ti beshty motrat kushrinat ngoj ta qi karakterin e familjes. Baba jot bashk me daja axha rrisin veq baxhella me jau qi kari malokut n Tirane. Rrac e zez rrac konviktoresh buce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    You can't speak English and call me a villager? Lol
    O ta shkerdhesha fisin nbyth nuk tshkruj dot se ta mush Inbox plot o moterbaxhell ti beshty motrat kushrinat ngoj ta qi karakterin e familjes. Baba jot bashk me daja axha rrisin veq baxhella me jau qi kari malokut n Tirane. Rrac e zez rrac konviktoresh buce.
    Ti do të na mbushësh mendjen që je trim kur rri strukur si miu mbrapa një kompjuteri? E morëm vesh atë. E morëm vesh edhe që je djali I një bythqiri, prandaj dhe je kaq bastard. Je dhe një copë fshatari kokëtrash, mos e harro këtë. Dhe mos u përpiq të bësh viktimën, askush nuk të tha malok, 90 % e shqiptarëve janë malokë, pothuajse të gjithë origjinën e kemi nga mali. Të thashë që je fshatar kokëtrash dhe që je djali I një bythqiri sepse nuk ke burrëri por vjen këtu në një forum të huaj dhe hapesh bythësh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Ti do të na mbushësh mendjen që je trim kur rri strukur si miu mbrapa një kompjuteri? E morëm vesh atë. E morëm vesh edhe që je djali I një bythqiri, prandaj dhe je kaq bastard. Je dhe një copë fshatari kokëtrash, mos e harro këtë. Dhe mos u përpiq të bësh viktimën, askush nuk të tha malok, 90 % e shqiptarëve janë malokë, pothuajse të gjithë origjinën e kemi nga mali. Të thashë që je fshatar kokëtrash dhe që je djali I një bythqiri sepse nuk ke burrëri por vjen këtu në një forum të huaj dhe hapesh bythësh.
    Thuj babs e burravet tfisit mi ba gadi qikat per kar, a mir? Se njaq dini me ba ju gabelt veq me rrit baxhella.

    Hajde mor fis shkerdhym pse svjen? A te thash ku rri? Laluc pillmotret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    Thuj babs e burravet tfisit mi ba gadi qikat per kar, a mir? Se njaq dini me ba ju gabelt veq me rrit baxhella.

    Hajde mor fis shkerdhym pse svjen? A te thash ku rri? Laluc pillmotret.
    Nuk më ke thënë se ku rri. Më pyete nëse kam qenë bë Shkodër dhe Mal të Zi. Më thuaj ku rri. Apo akoma e ke në plan të shkosh në Jal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Nuk më ke thënë se ku rri. Më pyete nëse kam qenë bë Shkodër dhe Mal të Zi. Më thuaj ku rri. Apo akoma e ke në plan të shkosh në Jal?
    Ta thac mor laluc moter perplas, Mal te Zi (Ulqin), Shkoder, e Lac rri. Nise nr e tel me mesazh privat. Kyt fundjav sjam tuj ardh per Jale se ka shi anejna. Kur ke plan mu nis per siper? Tpres ty, fisin, kushrinat, shoqnin. Ti veq hajd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Ore ti! Çfarë janë këto muhabete që bën? Ç'punë ke ti me përkatësinë fetare apo origjinën krahinore? Nuk e shikon që ai është kafshë kokëtrash? Lëre këtë muhabet se është turp dhe na nxorët bojën faqe botës. Atë do ndreqësh ti? Ai është idiot. Mbylle këtë muhabet. Lëre të lehi si qen dhe mos ju përgjigj.
    Ai ka shajt shume shqiptare pa pike respekti, pa lidhje. Dushman eshte na nji mysliman pa krenari per historine e shqiptarve, feja/regjim myslimuti e beri shqiperine te varfur, na chovi ne funde europes

    Dhe nuk kupton qe arbereshet kane pasur shume gjenetik i2a dhe kane bere shume pune nga italia per historine e shqiperise. Ne vend te shaj myslimanet qe na kane prish kulturen dhe emrat unik shqiptare ai shane shqiptaret me histori. Neve jemi vetem 5 million njerez ne bote me 7 billion tashi. Ne duhet te mbrojme kulturen tone, emrat tone

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    Quote Originally Posted by exercitus View Post
    Calm down guys.
    Dushman are you aware of the fact that I2a (be it the 'Slavic' 3400 ypb, I-CTS10228 or every other subclade under I2a or even the generic I2/I1) is indeed the most genuine and 'autochthonous' - yeah, we (Albanians) love this word buddy! - European Haplogroup !?
    Now if someone does not like the fact that every subclade under I-CTS10228 is Slavic, than its his own damn problem, but facts are facts, 'stubborn' and explicit.
    Facts based on modern spread? Based on modern spread dinaric north is more common in albania and greece (+ukraine of course) instead of serbia/bosnia/croatia

    This means it had little to do with ph908 (dinaric south), it has a different history, different timeline into south europe

    If you want to talk about ancient dna, we have yet to find much ancient cts10228 just like we have yet to find much ancient v13! Both were found in medieval serbia from roman era but we havent found anything earlier yet

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    I'm not going to stand for anyone using aspects of another person's genetics as a reason to belittle them regardless of where it comes from. It is a pretty basic and reasonable rule to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    You should take your own advice and stop. I can't see why anyone should take you seriously discussing genetics/Y-DNA when you mock the literal tools used by human beings to understand those very things. Your personal experience(and anyone's really) means nothing against mountains of data and research. It's like a random person acting like they know more about a doctor who has poured years of study and practice into his field. Sure, none of us are actual geneticists, but you're not convincing anyone with this buffoonery.

    I know people who literally DOMINATE their women and have mostly daughters. I know men who are cowards and let their women run the show, that only have sons. Again, your anecdotal evidence means nothing in the face of research. You're still ingnoring 99% of your entire genome, including other factors not determined by your genetics given numerous variables and the fact that our brains and neural networks have plasticity.

    Using your logic a rapist will blame their crimes on their dna, or their haplogroup.

    You need to educate yourself before spewing out garbage.
    Ok dude, sorry to interrupt your sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    I am so embarrassed that people will read these things and think Albanians are mentally ill in general. I really really hope you’re not Albanian but the Ashkali Dema with the Levantine/Iranian haplogroup.
    LMAO, you clowns lack any self-conscious. Have you read what 99% you write? We the most ancient ever, I'm Illyrian (throws a baby tantrum), I'm a Roman emperor, Albanian is the engine of IE languages. That's embarrassing. Europeans are laughing their as$ off.
    The most wiggers per capita, super embarrassing. If my brother was the best white rapper, I would not advertise it out of self respect, because that's embarrassing. Since we got here, can you Roman emperors stop littering everywhere, don't throw garbage in like a slob. It should not be hard since you built the Acropolis and the Egyptian pyramids.
    Remember, when you liter, you're making me look bad bro.

    What I'm saying is, your behavior is making my butt look big. You're a clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Statistically, things balance out quite often. It's just such large families are rather rare today.
    But if looking at really large families, it is not that uncommon that the same father got 4 sons, 3 daughters, then 1 son, then 3 daughters and so on.
    The single biggest factor might be the time of the intercourse in the female cycle.
    Most of the time It's just chance.
    In America, you'll see a super tall father with like 8 daughters, no boys and a soy face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    Berat = Belgrade = uber Slavic.
    I2a-Din North = Bulgarian = uber Slavic
    That's very interesting actually

    The name Berat has been derived through Albanian sound changes from the Old Bulgarian Bělgrad (Бѣлградъ) or Belgrád / Beligrad (Белград / Белиград), meaning "White City".[6][7]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berat

    In Bulgaria you can also find toponyms with Kosovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo,_Plovdiv_Province

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