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    Quote Originally Posted by fbn79 View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I had recently tested my DNA and googling for more info about my haplogroup I found this thread.

    I and my parents are from Cesena, Adriatic coast of emilia rogmana in Italy. I have done a little of research and my surname (Taioli) likely come from veneto Italy, near Verone where there is even a place named Taioli.

    DNA test report me R1b1a2a1a1b3c (myfdna) U152-L2+ and genographic project report my YDNA as R-Z150. mtDNA is H1.

    So I must argue I got celtics antenates right?

    If anyone can speculate more on my ancestry I will be very glad :)

    I haven't found info on internet about Z150
    If you are from Veneto, then your cognome Taioli has been changed. There are not many words in Veneto with just Tai....., most likely it was Tajol ( which means mallet ). Maybe I am wrong and I will check the veneto registers from 1800 for your cognome

    L2 appears in a high % in the veneto,trentino and Friuli alps. There is a thread here explaining the 2013 paper from Ciao in regards to this marker.

    Ask Nobody ( a member here ) as he has the break down of these markers


    I could be 100% wrong , but Taioli comes from near Pisa ( tuscany ), the other Tajoli

    Origine del cognome Tajoli, provenienza: Italia
    Titolo Nobili
    Della famiglia, oriunda reggiana, si conosce una Ventura, medico nel 1527, ed un Giulio, giurisperito, vivente nel 1579. Un Lodovico, fu Giuliano, vissuto nel secolo XVI, sposò la Contessa Giulia Parisetti vedova del conte Alessandro Scaruffi. Fece testamento a rogito Rolando Rocci, il 31 maggio 1610. Ebbe un fratello, Pietro Francesco
    comes from
    Badia Calavena ( Verona region , Veneto )
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Thank Duke for the info :) As you sad the surname probably came from tajoli. I found that info on this page ( ganino dot com slash cognomi_italiani_t ). It say

    "Taiola ha un ceppo a Lumezzane, Brescia, Nave, Villa Carcina, Vobarno, Borgosatollo e Concesio nel bresciano, con un ceppo anche a Cervia nel ravennate, Taioli ha un ceppo nel veronese a Badia Calavena, Lavagno, Verona, Illasi, Tregnago e San Martino Buon Albergo, con un ceppo anche a Cesena e Cesenatico nel cesenate, Tajola è unico e Tajoli lo è quasi e sembrerebbero entrambi dell'area veronese, potrebbero derivare da soprannomi originati dalla voce dialettale veneta tajola (falso asfodelo, tipo di pianta delle liliacee), ma è pure possibile che i soprannomi derivino dalla taiolla o taiola un tipo di legno molto sottile utilizzato per casse destinate a contenere sapone, voce comune sia all'antica lingua veneta che emiliana e marchigiana: "...Solebant etiam ipsi Marchiani et Anconitani suum saponem mittere Venecias et nichil modo mittunt, set illud de suis partibus caricatur et portatur tam per mercatores Venetos quam alios cum navibus Venetorum et aliorum ad alias partes sicut volunt mittunt etiam ipsi Anchonitani et Marchiani suum saponem per mundum in capselis de çapino subtilibus et nostri mercatores Veneti in capsellis de taiolla, que sunt grosse et in eis sapone melius conservatur, nam sicud nostri ipsas tabulas de taiola et laborari faciunt et non infictari, quod quidem lignamen extrahunt pro lignamine laborato et solvunt solum X pro centenario et lignamine non laboratum solvit L pro centenario, de quo comune defraudatur, unde dicti mercatores instanter supplicant quatenus super predictis provideatur ad hoc ut dicta ars saponis reduci valeat in bonum statum suum et comunis...."."
    It say may derivate from venet dialectal word tajola (the name of a plant) or taiolla/taiola (a kind o wood).

    In the city of Velo Veronese (province of Verona) there is a fraction named Taioli.

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    Thank you Nobody1 for your private reply and Sile for your support.

    I have another question.

    I have downloaded my data from geno project. Comparing my snp report with the he ISOGG 2014 snp list I see that my Z150 is C and that correspond to excpected value (ISOGG report z150 as mutation from T->C) but looking ad Z142 I'm A but ISOGG report it as mutation from A->G so I have mutation Z150 but not Z142? Is possible? I have read that Z150 is a sub of Z142

    MY GENO DATA:

    SNP Chr Allele1 Allele2
    L2 Y T T
    Z49 Y T G
    Z142 Y A A
    Z150 Y C C


    ISOGG 2104
    L2 C->T
    Z49 G->T
    Z142 A->G
    Z150 T->C

    What that means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbn79 View Post
    I have downloaded my data from geno project. Comparing my snp report with the he ISOGG 2014 snp list I see that my Z150 is C and that correspond to excpected value (ISOGG report z150 as mutation from T->C) but looking ad Z142 I'm A but ISOGG report it as mutation from A->G so I have mutation Z150 but not Z142? Is possible? I have read that Z150 is a sub of Z142
    I was told by the one of the admins at the FTDNA R-U152 project that the Z142 test on the Geno 2.0 chip is not functioning. My test came back Z49+/Z142-, but he said that was not definitive and he recommended getting a retest for Z142 through FTDNA. Luckily for you, you tested positive for a downstream SNP, so you can presume positive for Z142.

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    Thank you Ahead01 for the precious info :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahead01 View Post
    I was told by the one of the admins at the FTDNA R-U152 project that the Z142 test on the Geno 2.0 chip is not functioning. My test came back Z49+/Z142-, but he said that was not definitive and he recommended getting a retest for Z142 through FTDNA. Luckily for you, you tested positive for a downstream SNP, so you can presume positive for Z142.
    That is disappointing and could be confusing!

    Are those re-tests provided by FTDNA at no cost or will there be a fee for the re-test?

    Does anyone know when the Z150 snp test will be available a la carte?

    Curtis

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    I found the answer to one of my questions. The Z150 SNP test is currently available only through Geno 2.0.

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    The latest U152 phylogenetic tree by Richard A. Rocca


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    Z12222(Z150) is being offered a-la-carte on the FTDNA advanced orders menu.

    I just ordered it along with L2. I tested positive for L2 previously but it was with Genebase and it will not transfer into FTDNA.

    Could it be that we will finally be able to figure out our L2 origins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pi gman View Post
    Z12222(Z150) is being offered a-la-carte on the FTDNA advanced orders menu.

    I just ordered it along with L2. I tested positive for L2 previously but it was with Genebase and it will not transfer into FTDNA.

    Could it be that we will finally be able to figure out our L2 origins?
    You can order Z150 and if found to be positive you know that you are L2+ by default.
    Anyhow, now you will have confirmation. I hope your Z150 test turns out to be positive, every step downstream is money well spent. Even if you are Z150- it is useful as it will rule out one option and be historically significant in the long run.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorianfinder View Post
    You can order Z150 and if found to be positive you know that you are L2+ by default.
    Anyhow, now you will have confirmation. I hope your Z150 test turns out to be positive, every step downstream is money well spent. Even if you are Z150- it is useful as it will rule out one option and be historically significant in the long run.

    Good luck!
    Thanks for the reply. There is no doubt that I am L2+. Genebase is not the most popular testing company but their results are not inaccurate. Besides I have tested positive for both Z49 and Z142 which are downstream from L2.

    I am tracking Mitchell's results as he and I share all the positive and negative SNPs. I am really interested in the Davenport sample as well as he is my closest match within the tested SNPs.

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    Hello everyone, I'm new. Within a month ago I received the result of Geno 2.0. My genealogical research has led me to Savona, Italy. And the results of the genetic test is as follows. With the results I associate, what you think could be the next child after L2 * by "The latest U152 phylogenetic tree by Richard A. Rocca". Thanks for your help.

    The family name is Rabai.

    Regards


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    News just in! My Z12222/Z150 test was completed yesterday and I am positive!

    I think the next SNP for me to test is CTS 9490 when and if it becomes available a la carte via FTDNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorianfinder View Post
    You can order Z150 and if found to be positive you know that you are L2+ by default.
    Anyhow, now you will have confirmation. I hope your Z150 test turns out to be positive, every step downstream is money well spent. Even if you are Z150- it is useful as it will rule out one option and be historically significant in the long run.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAVAI View Post
    Hello everyone, I'm new. Within a month ago I received the result of Geno 2.0. My genealogical research has led me to Savona, Italy. And the results of the genetic test is as follows. With the results I associate, what you think could be the next child after L2 * by "The latest U152 phylogenetic tree by Richard A. Rocca". Thanks for your help.

    The family name is Rabai.

    Regards


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    Thanks!

    Have you joined the U152 subclades project at FTDNA? Richard A. Rocca is the co-administrator of the project and will be able to assist you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pi gman View Post
    News just in! My Z12222/Z150 test was completed yesterday and I am positive!

    I think the next SNP for me to test is CTS 9490 when and if it becomes available a la carte via FTDNA.

    Regards,
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    Congrats Curtis, that's great news!

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    U152 and Subclades Phylogenetic Tree by Richard Rocca *Updated October 2014*


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    My results for CTS 9490 came back negative! Does that give me an asterisk for Z150*?

    Also, here is a reply I posted on another forum which is somewhat flawed as I was responding to a thread which was asking where Z49 originated. It does seem as though my Z150 could be Ionian Greek!

    The speculation is based upon my high number of matches to these studies:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...4/?tool=pubmed

    The coming of the Greeks to Provence and Corsica: Y-chromosome models of archaic Greek colonization of the western Mediterranean

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    Dear Curtis,
    Yes, I think you could definitely have paternal ancestry from the Phocaean Greeks in Massalia. There was a huge trade between the Greeks of Massalia and the surrounding Celto-Ligurians of Southern France with ample evidence of Greek wine amphora all across the region. As in my paper, we see a male mediated immigration with the likely scenario of Greek males marrying local women. This pattern is evident in some of the founding myths of Massalia as well. I haven't looked at M269 (mostly V13 and in our subsequent G paper, L13/M529), but clearly M269/U152 lineages could have also traversed the Mediterranean with the Greek colonists.
    Hope this is helpful and thanks for the additional insights!
    Best,


    GD of 0 ------9
    GD of 1 ------9
    GD of 2 ------4
    GD of 3 ------3
    GD of 4 ------5

    Out of 72 subjects of Ionian Greek grandparents I match 30 of them. 9 at a genetic distance of 0. This comparison uses only 6 markers however. That is what make it speculative!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pi gman View Post
    My results for CTS 9490 came back negative! Does that give me an asterisk for Z150*?


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    an asterick means , at this point in time there is no more subclades fro you

    In human genetics, * is used to denote that someone is a member of a haplogroup and not any of its subclades

    An asterick has never meant in genetics ......"and everything after "

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    "an asterick means , at this point in time there is no more subclades fro you"


    Of course that is what it means!


    "In human genetics, * is used to denote that someone is a member of a haplogroup and not any of its subclades"

    Of course as well!


    "An asterick has never meant in genetics ......"and everything after ""


    Where on earth did you ever come up with that notion??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pi gman View Post
    My results for CTS 9490 came back negative! Does that give me an asterisk for Z150*?

    Also, here is a reply I posted on another forum which is somewhat flawed as I was responding to a thread which was asking where Z49 originated. It does seem as though my Z150 could be Ionian Greek!

    The speculation is based upon my high number of matches to these studies:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...4/?tool=pubmed

    The coming of the Greeks to Provence and Corsica: Y-chromosome models of archaic Greek colonization of the western Mediterranean

    Roy King concurs:

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    Dear Curtis,
    Yes, I think you could definitely have paternal ancestry from the Phocaean Greeks in Massalia. There was a huge trade between the Greeks of Massalia and the surrounding Celto-Ligurians of Southern France with ample evidence of Greek wine amphora all across the region. As in my paper, we see a male mediated immigration with the likely scenario of Greek males marrying local women. This pattern is evident in some of the founding myths of Massalia as well. I haven't looked at M269 (mostly V13 and in our subsequent G paper, L13/M529), but clearly M269/U152 lineages could have also traversed the Mediterranean with the Greek colonists.
    Hope this is helpful and thanks for the additional insights!
    Best,


    GD of 0 ------9
    GD of 1 ------9
    GD of 2 ------4
    GD of 3 ------3
    GD of 4 ------5

    Out of 72 subjects of Ionian Greek grandparents I match 30 of them. 9 at a genetic distance of 0. This comparison uses only 6 markers however. That is what make it speculative!

    Regards,
    Curtis
    Hi Curtis, it is just a matter of time before your particular subclade of Z150 becomes apparent. All you need is somebody to do a Big Y or Full Genomes who matches one of your private SNPs. The Greek connection is very possible ... not sure I would want to bet money on it just yet though. It would be great if more U152's could get tested ... there are many private SNPs that are new public-styled subclades just waiting to be discovered. The L21 team are ahead of us, they have done some good work threading the needle ... they have gone several steps further ... Z49 is going to be interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorianfinder View Post
    Hi Curtis, it is just a matter of time before your particular subclade of Z150 becomes apparent. All you need is somebody to do a Big Y or Full Genomes who matches one of your private SNPs. The Greek connection is very possible ... not sure I would want to bet money on it just yet though. It would be great if more U152's could get tested ... there are many private SNPs that are new public-styled subclades just waiting to be discovered. The L21 team are ahead of us, they have done some good work threading the needle ... they have gone several steps further ... Z49 is going to be interesting!
    Thanks for replying!

    The answers for all of us seem so close, yet they are probably so far away. I just hope we figure these origins out during my lifetime!

    Curtis

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    FYI for the Z150 folks, SNP FGC12382 is now available at YSEQ.net. I tried to include the direct link but I don't' have enough posts yet.


    BTW, this SNP is on my branch of Z150/Z12222.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellsince1893 View Post
    FYI for the Z150 folks, SNP FGC12382 is now available at YSEQ.net. I tried to include the direct link but I don't' have enough posts yet.


    BTW, this SNP is on my branch of Z150/Z12222.
    http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=3086

    Is this the link? btw I tested for CTS9490 and it was negative.

    Welcome to eupedia Mark!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pi gman View Post
    Is this the link? btw I tested for CTS9490 and it was negative.

    Welcome to eupedia Mark!

    Curtis
    That's the one.
    I've been on Eupedia for a while...just don't post much. But with this post I now have enough to post links.

    Curtis, I hope you do the YSEQ SNP test so we can find out if you are on my branch.

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    I have just learned that my father is R-Z150. This is all very new to us.
    We can trace our direct male ancestor to Barlac, Gascogne, France in 1720. I can not find it on any current maps, but this is what he stated in his will.

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