New distribution map of Y-haplogroup E-M81

[kingjohn]

another guanche ancient
that someone uploaded GUN012
from tenerife dated to 621 ± 39
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT76699*/


source:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60982217312575

[kingjohn]

from the albanian data base

https://translate.googleusercontent....hENBmj5TfUlCyg
last 2 pages of enteries

small albanian e-m81 cluster ( in south kosovo north albania)

Sumë	Shkodër	Shkodër	Shqipëri	E1b-M81
Sumë	Shkodër	Shkodër	Shqipëri	E1b-M81
	Kukës	Kukës	Shqipëri	E1b-M81
	Dragash	Prizren	Kosovë	E1b-M81
	Dragash	Prizren	Kosovë	E1b-M81

p.s
i sent an emaill to the administrator
and he also wished to know the rout and time this small cluster arrived
to albania
but he told me that because those people came from poor villages
they can't afford big y ( crazy prices )
bummer ..... ( could be ottoman period, or roman auxiliry)

https://i.imgur.com/6WnoBSe.png

[Sergio Aragon]

Hello Maciamo,
Your articles on the various HGs are very good but I wish for more detail in the references. In the article on E1b1b, section E-M81 you claim that some study of 101 Pasiegos included data on E-M81. Could you please share the reference to the literature? Thanks. Sergio

[MOESAN]

Berberid??? It's ancient semite canaanite haplogroup, there was nothing called "berber" in the entire history of the Maghreb but Libyans, Punics/Canaanites, Africans, Arabs, Maghrebis, North Africans. Stop using this racist french colonial slur.

'Berberid'? by Frenchies? I don't know, but 'Berber' (Berbère) I know. It's a bit off topic, but I don't see any racism in this word in French, only an approximate and imprecise way to name populations considered as "autochtones" and not Arab" in origin, whatever the accuracy of these distinctions. But if racism has existed (and at some scale, it has), it was not in this term, for sure! Just a "bag" term for diverse pops of North-Africa. It is not safe to put too much emotion into words. It leads to mistakings and sterile oppositions.

[kingjohn]

Important paper on e-m81 structure
in north africa near east and iberia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5698413/

[Yanis]

Two other papers (see academia.edu) here on M81 origin, two very little known hypotheses:

1) The male lines of the Maghreb: Phoenicians, Carthage, Muslim conquest and Berbers by Wim Penninx

2) "How Eurasia Was Born" HOW EURASIA WAS BORN -A Provisional Atlas of prehistoric Eurasia based on genetic data supporting the farming-language dispersal model- CSABA-BARNABÁS HORVÁTH by Csaba Barnabas Horvath