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    another guanche ancient
    that someone uploaded GUN012
    from tenerife dated to 621 ± 39
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT76699*/


    source:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60982217312575
    ancestery :
    mostly western jewish here is the overlapp with south europe[U]

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    from the albanian data base

    https://translate.googleusercontent....hENBmj5TfUlCyg
    last 2 pages of enteries

    small albanian e-m81 cluster ( in south kosovo north albania)



    p.s
    i sent an emaill to the administrator
    and he also wished to know the rout and time this small cluster arrived
    to albania
    but he told me that because those people came from poor villages
    they can't afford big y ( crazy prices )
    bummer ..... ( could be ottoman period, or roman auxiliry)

    https://i.imgur.com/6WnoBSe.png

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    Hello Maciamo,
    Your articles on the various HGs are very good but I wish for more detail in the references. In the article on E1b1b, section E-M81 you claim that some study of 101 Pasiegos included data on E-M81. Could you please share the reference to the literature? Thanks. Sergio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside View Post
    Berberid??? It's ancient semite canaanite haplogroup, there was nothing called "berber" in the entire history of the Maghreb but Libyans, Punics/Canaanites, Africans, Arabs, Maghrebis, North Africans. Stop using this racist french colonial slur.
    'Berberid'? by Frenchies? I don't know, but 'Berber' (Berbère) I know. It's a bit off topic, but I don't see any racism in this word in French, only an approximate and imprecise way to name populations considered as "autochtones" and not Arab" in origin, whatever the accuracy of these distinctions. But if racism has existed (and at some scale, it has), it was not in this term, for sure! Just a "bag" term for diverse pops of North-Africa. It is not safe to put too much emotion into words. It leads to mistakings and sterile oppositions.

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    Important paper on e-m81 structure
    in north africa near east and iberia
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5698413/

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Two other papers (see academia.edu) here on M81 origin, two very little known hypotheses:

    1) The male lines of the Maghreb: Phoenicians, Carthage, Muslim conquest and Berbers by Wim Penninx


    2) "How Eurasia Was Born" HOW EURASIA WAS BORN -A Provisional Atlas of prehistoric Eurasia based on genetic data supporting the farming-language dispersal model- CSABA-BARNABÁS HORVÁTH by Csaba Barnabas Horvath
    Last edited by Yanis; 28-07-21 at 01:04.

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    Distribution of the haplogroups of the Y-chromosome in the maqbara "of Pamplona (8th centurey )


    paper in spanish unfortuntely

    35% E in 8th centurey muslim remains


    press on the pdf :


    http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra...arca-superior/



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    a confirmed e-m81 case in the paper individual 107 :



    https://i.imgur.com/PsM2600.png

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    this guanche individual posted by adamm from (anthrogenica)
    give me zidane vibe
    ( maybe he was e-m81 like zidane)

    Guanche from the Canary Islands (IronAge/ModernAge):

    "Adult male from Anaza Santa cruz de Tenerife (north-eastern Tenerife)."






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    the neolithic north african remains
    taken from e-pf2431 blog



    Rui Martiniano, Bianca de Sanctis, Pille Hallast, Richard Durbin,
    December 20, 2020
    A very important publication which inserts in the haplogroup tree all the ancient DNA samples, we find the samples of Ifri n’Amr (IAM4, IAM5 and IAM7):



    IAM4 and IAM7 are E-L19* (positive for L19, negative for PF2431 and M81)
    IAM5 is PF2535* (positive for PF2535 and negative for M81)



    Here is an excerpt from the article:

    "Three Moroccan Early Neolithic samples carry E1b1b1b1-M310.1 lineages [17], with the lineage of sample IAM.5 further refined to E1b1b1b1a1∼-PF2535 with a single supporting marker. In our analysis, they were placed ancestrally to present-day Mozabite and Saharawi North African lineages (Figure 5B), which is in agreement with the finding from autosomal analyzes that these samples comprised an endemic Maghrebi element still retained in present-day North African populations "

    Here M310.1 is equivalent to L19.
    Of the 84 snps equivalent to M81, only one was found positive in the old IAM5 dna. It should be remembered that 30,933 snps were found to be positive while each human being has between 3,000 and 5,000 positive snps. Of these 30,933 snps, nearly 28,000 are false positives, it was suspected that PF2535 was the same.
    All of the AMIs if related to each other, one would be inclined to think that this small group as a whole had identical results and that they were all L19*. I remind you that all the samples from the Tafoghalt site are all E-M78*, similarly for those from Raqefet Cave (Natufian) which are all E-Z830*. I am quoting what IAM study author R. Fregel said about IAM5 and which goes in this direction:

    "IAM.5 only showed one derived SNP, while the remaining were ancestral. We used this evidence to propose that the lineage present in IAM was ancestral to modern E-M81. And it makes sense, IAM samples are around 7,000 years old, while coalescence age for E-M81 is much younger.
    Regarding the use of low-coverage data, you have to be careful when analyzing the data. We always classify the mutations taking into account if they can be related to DNA damage (C to T, G to A). The derived SNP in 557 can't be produced by cytosine deamination, so we considered it. Are the mutations that make no sense attributable to DNA damage?"

    Which explains why this sample in the article is defined L19*.

    In conclusion: What should be remembered is that the majority of the North African population belongs to the L19 (PF2431+M81) sub-haplogroup which was discovered in its ancestral state in skeletons discovered in North Africa and dated at carbon 14 of approximately 7000 years old. It is therefore endogenous to North Africa and has two branches PF2431 and PF2535. It is hoped that other known ancient sites will be studied to gain more information on its history and migrations.

    source paper:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...sTdpTcQ9eqGJus



    p.s
    so 1 of those 3 was pre-e-m81

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