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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I thought Pelasgian was a general term to name ancient inhabitants of Greece and surrounding islands? It is not a name of nationality or ethnicity. Pre Dorian, pre Hellenic inhabitants. Sort of barbarians in contrast with civilized Greeks of antiquity.
    The Albanian historians maintain the theory that Pellasgians were all over Southern Europe. There is linguistic evidence about it. I heard archaeologists complain that finding evidence of it has proven difficult in terms of artifacts at least in Albania. Or probably they are not looking in the right place. But given that different Hellen historians of the time, in a span of at least 1500 consecutive yrs there is no reason of doubting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albanopolis View Post
    The Albanian historians maintain the theory that Pellasgians were all over Southern Europe. There is linguistic evidence about it. I heard archaeologists complain that finding evidence of it has proven difficult in terms of artifacts at least in Albania. Or probably they are not looking in the right place. But given that different Hellen historians of the time, in a span of at least 1500 consecutive yrs there is no reason of doubting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by albanopolis View Post
    The Albanian historians maintain the theory that Pellasgians were all over Southern Europe. There is linguistic evidence about it. I heard archaeologists complain that finding evidence of it has proven difficult in terms of artifacts at least in Albania. Or probably they are not looking in the right place. But given that different Hellen historians of the time, in a span of at least 1500 consecutive yrs there is no reason of doubting it.
    I don't doubt there were ancient people who Greeks referred to as Pelasgians. However it is a very difficult (impossible) to determine which culture exactly Greeks historians meant. Without any written records it was hard for these historians to be exact in their statements after hundred or thousands of years. I'm sure you will find contradictory records among historians about Pelasgians, right?
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    I want to ask - if the Phoenicians brought M34 to Europe who brought M123* (m34 negative)?

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    With the recent refinement and standardization of Y-E's subgroups down from E-M123>E-M34>E-L29>E-L29* & E-M136, have there been any new distribution maps produced using these separate groups?

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    Maciamo, how many samples is the map based on? Is there a plan to update it soon, as 4 years have passed since it was released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Haplogroup E-M123 in Kurdistan can be from Akkadians, Assyrians, Chaldeans or Jews.
    It's even possible that the 10 lost tribes of Israel settled down in Kurdistan!
    My family on my father's side is Kurdish, all from Kurdistan of Iraq and Iran, and I just learned my dad is the E-M123 haplogroup. I don't know much about this, and this is one of the first pages I've looked at, so I love seeing the connections. :)

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    Time for an update?

    Very nice, but I think it is very misleading considering the depopulation of everyone the Nazis thought "looked Jewish" in the 2nd Reich area.

    I think E-M123 is pretty clearly Phoenician and probably spread with the Romans too. I have a suggestion for the presence of E-M123 across Ukraine could be from Akatzir Cursarioi or from Lithuanian Palemonids from Belarussia. I recommend looking at yfull.com for more up to date E-M123 results. Some branches e.g. yfull.com/tree/E-Y6938/ are clearly native to the Lithuanian Grand-Duch area. Also should remember to include Gagauzia and presence in indigenous Crimean populations, Taman and the Caucasus?

    Time for an update perhaps?
    Last edited by Khazar; 15-12-18 at 23:01. Reason: Forgot to mention Gagauzia

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    very interesting

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3346985


    i got the table one of the scytian/ sarmatian remains from south ural was
    E-PF6746
    this is one of the e-m84 branches fox

    that is so cool:)
    he was probably and earlier saka who migrated north and absorbed by the r1a sarmatians
    what intresting is that another paper found e-m123* among saka from north east kazachstan

    https://i.imgur.com/2UNg2Nq.png

    https://i.imgur.com/qdS3ZKd.png

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    from passa e1b1b1 great map :)
    the e-m84 eastern scytian dude from the same research in south ural

    https://i.imgur.com/SlhhnZh.png

    Scythian MJ40 (ScySar_SU) - E-PF6746
    (this branch is under e-m84 )
    Last edited by kingjohn; 19-07-19 at 17:29.

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    I thought about it too. J1 and E-M123 are both typical of Southwest Asia, so it makes sense. In Europe their distribution match especially well in Greece, Italy, France, Germany and Hungary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazar View Post
    Very nice, but I think it is very misleading considering the depopulation of everyone the Nazis thought "looked Jewish" in the 2nd Reich area.

    I think E-M123 is pretty clearly Phoenician and probably spread with the Romans too. I have a suggestion for the presence of E-M123 across Ukraine could be from Akatzir Cursarioi or from Lithuanian Palemonids from Belarussia. I recommend looking at yfull.com for more up to date E-M123 results. Some branches e.g. yfull.com/tree/E-Y6938/ are clearly native to the Lithuanian Grand-Duch area. Also should remember to include Gagauzia and presence in indigenous Crimean populations, Taman and the Caucasus?

    Time for an update perhaps?
    Phoenician and native Balto-Slavic ... but not Jewish?

    Y6938 is Ashkenazi, with ultimate Levantine origins. It split ca. 400 CE from Y102667, which includes a Libyan Jew, a Turkish/Tunisian Jew, 3 New World Hispanics, and most likely an Algerian Jew. The distribution you're looking at is simply the pattern of Ashkenazi settlement in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

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    from the other Scythian paper

    e-m84 branch in 400 bc south ural this could be a migration from bmac direction up north to the steppe
    and absorbed by r1a and Q tribes in the steppe
    i am talking about e-m84 not e-m123* that might came from the north and we see him in DA19 saka and in north pakistan swat valley remains

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    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/ful...fw9pxzXa6A

    full list of y haplogroups and mtdna from scytian and other remains from the paper

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    MJ-06 Ukr_BA 0.184 XX H2a1
    MJ-09 Ukr_BA 0.228 XX H13a2c
    MJ-08 ר 0.138 XX T2a1b1a
    MJ-12 Cimmerians 0.299 XX H35
    MJ-31 Cimmerians 0.217 XY U5a1b1 R1a-Z645
    MJ-32 Cimmerians 0.296 XY U2e2 R1a2c-B111
    MJ-13 Scy_Ukr 0.265 XX H11b1
    MJ-14 Scy_Uk ZU_Yr
    Za 0.166 XY U2e2 R1a-M417
    MJ-16 Scy_Ukr 0.282 XY T2b J2a8-B437
    MJ-33 Scy_Ukr 0.078 XY U5a2a2 R1a-M417
    MJ-34 Scy_Ukr 0.5 XY W3a1 R1a2-Z93
    MJ-35 Scy_Ukr 0.149 XY X4 Q1c-L332
    MJ-46 Scy_Ukr 0.173 XX J1d6
    MJ-47 Scy_Ukr 0.073 XX T2
    MJ-19 Chern 0.21 XX H1n6
    MJ-36 Chern 0.02 XX H1c
    MJ-37 Chern 0.14 XX T2g1
    MJ-38 Sar_Cau 0.092 XY W Q1c-L332
    LS-13 ScySar_SU 0.46 XY W3a R1a1e-CTS1123
    MJ-39 ScyS4_AaU-1 Z645
    MJ-40 ScySar_SU 0.036 XY U5a2 + 16,294 E2b1-PF6746
    MJ-41 ScySar_SU 0.529 XX U5b2a1a2
    MJ-42 ScySar_SU 0.525 XY T1a1d R1a-Z645
    MJ-43 ScySar_SU 0.456 XX C1E
    MJ-44 ScySar_SU 0.717 XX U5b2a1a1
    MJ-56 ScySar_SU 0.301 XX U5b2c
    MJ-51 Scy_Kaz 0.085 XY U5a1f1 R1a-M198
    MJ-52 Scy_Kaz 0.092 XY A23 J1b-P58 (3/10)
    MJ-53 Scy_Kaz 0.022 XY? U5b2b ​​R1-?
    MJ-54 Scy_Kaz 0.027 XX F2

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