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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I thought Pelasgian was a general term to name ancient inhabitants of Greece and surrounding islands? It is not a name of nationality or ethnicity. Pre Dorian, pre Hellenic inhabitants. Sort of barbarians in contrast with civilized Greeks of antiquity.
    The Albanian historians maintain the theory that Pellasgians were all over Southern Europe. There is linguistic evidence about it. I heard archaeologists complain that finding evidence of it has proven difficult in terms of artifacts at least in Albania. Or probably they are not looking in the right place. But given that different Hellen historians of the time, in a span of at least 1500 consecutive yrs there is no reason of doubting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albanopolis View Post
    The Albanian historians maintain the theory that Pellasgians were all over Southern Europe. There is linguistic evidence about it. I heard archaeologists complain that finding evidence of it has proven difficult in terms of artifacts at least in Albania. Or probably they are not looking in the right place. But given that different Hellen historians of the time, in a span of at least 1500 consecutive yrs there is no reason of doubting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by albanopolis View Post
    The Albanian historians maintain the theory that Pellasgians were all over Southern Europe. There is linguistic evidence about it. I heard archaeologists complain that finding evidence of it has proven difficult in terms of artifacts at least in Albania. Or probably they are not looking in the right place. But given that different Hellen historians of the time, in a span of at least 1500 consecutive yrs there is no reason of doubting it.
    I don't doubt there were ancient people who Greeks referred to as Pelasgians. However it is a very difficult (impossible) to determine which culture exactly Greeks historians meant. Without any written records it was hard for these historians to be exact in their statements after hundred or thousands of years. I'm sure you will find contradictory records among historians about Pelasgians, right?
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    I want to ask - if the Phoenicians brought M34 to Europe who brought M123* (m34 negative)?

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    With the recent refinement and standardization of Y-E's subgroups down from E-M123>E-M34>E-L29>E-L29* & E-M136, have there been any new distribution maps produced using these separate groups?

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    Maciamo, how many samples is the map based on? Is there a plan to update it soon, as 4 years have passed since it was released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Haplogroup E-M123 in Kurdistan can be from Akkadians, Assyrians, Chaldeans or Jews.
    It's even possible that the 10 lost tribes of Israel settled down in Kurdistan!
    My family on my father's side is Kurdish, all from Kurdistan of Iraq and Iran, and I just learned my dad is the E-M123 haplogroup. I don't know much about this, and this is one of the first pages I've looked at, so I love seeing the connections. :)

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    Time for an update?

    Very nice, but I think it is very misleading considering the depopulation of everyone the Nazis thought "looked Jewish" in the 2nd Reich area.

    I think E-M123 is pretty clearly Phoenician and probably spread with the Romans too. I have a suggestion for the presence of E-M123 across Ukraine could be from Akatzir Cursarioi or from Lithuanian Palemonids from Belarussia. I recommend looking at yfull.com for more up to date E-M123 results. Some branches e.g. yfull.com/tree/E-Y6938/ are clearly native to the Lithuanian Grand-Duch area. Also should remember to include Gagauzia and presence in indigenous Crimean populations, Taman and the Caucasus?

    Time for an update perhaps?
    Last edited by Khazar; 15-12-18 at 23:01. Reason: Forgot to mention Gagauzia

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    very interesting

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3346985


    i got the table one of the scytian/ sarmatian remains from south ural was
    E-PF6746
    this is one of the e-m84 branches fox

    that is so cool:)
    he was probably and earlier saka who migrated north and absorbed by the r1a sarmatians
    what intresting is that another paper found e-m123* among saka from north east kazachstan

    https://i.imgur.com/2UNg2Nq.png

    https://i.imgur.com/qdS3ZKd.png

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    from passa e1b1b1 great map :)
    the e-m84 eastern scytian dude from the same research in south ural

    https://i.imgur.com/SlhhnZh.png

    Scythian MJ40 (ScySar_SU) - E-PF6746
    (this branch is under e-m84 )
    Last edited by kingjohn; 19-07-19 at 17:29.

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    I thought about it too. J1 and E-M123 are both typical of Southwest Asia, so it makes sense. In Europe their distribution match especially well in Greece, Italy, France, Germany and Hungary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazar View Post
    Very nice, but I think it is very misleading considering the depopulation of everyone the Nazis thought "looked Jewish" in the 2nd Reich area.

    I think E-M123 is pretty clearly Phoenician and probably spread with the Romans too. I have a suggestion for the presence of E-M123 across Ukraine could be from Akatzir Cursarioi or from Lithuanian Palemonids from Belarussia. I recommend looking at yfull.com for more up to date E-M123 results. Some branches e.g. yfull.com/tree/E-Y6938/ are clearly native to the Lithuanian Grand-Duch area. Also should remember to include Gagauzia and presence in indigenous Crimean populations, Taman and the Caucasus?

    Time for an update perhaps?
    Phoenician and native Balto-Slavic ... but not Jewish?

    Y6938 is Ashkenazi, with ultimate Levantine origins. It split ca. 400 CE from Y102667, which includes a Libyan Jew, a Turkish/Tunisian Jew, 3 New World Hispanics, and most likely an Algerian Jew. The distribution you're looking at is simply the pattern of Ashkenazi settlement in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

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