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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    Judging from the other members of the E-Y4971 branch, VK474 may be descended from a real-life version of the Thirteenth Warrior, albeit through a North Slavic milieu.
    Could be
    I love this movie it is cool
    And underrated in my opinion....
    I tend to agree with you...
    The only problem is that the dude was 98% polish like in ancestery... ( like the most from all the individuals of this research)
    He might be some polish warriour ������
    Gotland had trade with the baltic and north poland
    Some swedish vikings could kidnaped him and took him to gotland
    Regards
    Adam

    P.s
    But yes in the year 850Ad he might been
    Ahmed ibn -fadhlan or another arab or
    armenian
    Who knows ..... ..
    Last edited by kingjohn; 18-10-20 at 14:27.
    Sefhardi, aschenazi, mizrahi, bulgarian
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y62418*/
    https://yfull.com/mtree/H3ap/

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    yesterday got the results of the e-y14899 snp test
    i am negetive for it

    https://i.imgur.com/Q6WP0IO.jpg

    i ordered the e-z827 snp pack
    so we will see which other branch of e-m84 i fall ......



    P.s
    There is a huge chance that i belong
    To some arabian branch
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    Got my results yesterday 20/11 ,Bummer i am negetive for all the downstream of e-s11956 offered by the e- z827 pack , and i am still stuck in the neolithic ������ unfortantue for me the e-z827 don't check for e-s11168 branch which i might fall on it.... ������
    I am negetive for: e-y14899, e-y14891, e-z841, e-l791,e-y5412,e-fgc18412,e-fgc18401,e-pf6751,e-pf6747,

    https://i.imgur.com/T9JmJXA.png




    P.s
    It is 90% that i am e-s11168 a branch which is a mizrahi-sefhardi branch
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y60961/
    that wasn't checked by the e-z827 snp pack
    I might order the big y just need to find away to get 370$������ ���������������� �������������
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    i ordered big y 700 today for my kit
    i know it is carzy 370$
    but hey
    there is this sentence
    "you need to know from where you came to know to where you go"

    p.s
    will see if i am indeed in the e-s11168 branch as i suspect
    and if i do big y 700 also anlaysed it farther there ....
    the thing is that they also charge later for bam file if i want to upload to yfull
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    Some corrections to the e-m84
    Part of the e-m123 tree in this site

    1) e-y5427 is the parent of e-pf6751 but also of e-FGC18353 which in turn is the common parent of e-y5435 and also of e-y14899
    2) E-S11168 the the other branch who derived directly from e-cts1096 it is mainly a
    mizrahi- sefhardi branch and extremely small one which high chance i fall on one of his sub-branches ....
    3) there are cases including in this e3b ftdna project of branches who are E-M84 but are
    E-CTS1096 - negetive :
    E-B406 ( includes uzbek jew from paper by Behar 2017, and a person from qatar)
    E-BY49153 (person of polish heritage, a person with austrian roots ,a south spaniard from sevilla)
    E-BY56570 ( includes iraqi jew, person of english heritage, spaniard from a coruna galicia)

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    this research :

    most e-m123 samples of people with catalunian surnames are apperntly e-L791 (more close to napoleon branch of e-m34)

    Y-chromosome diversity in Catalan surname samples: insights into surname origin and frequency

    Neus Solé-Morata, Jaume Bertranpetit, David Comas and Francesc CalafelI.

    Abstract

    The biological behavior of the Y chromosome, which is paternally inherited, implies that males sharing the same surname may also share a similar Y chromosome. However, socio-cultural factors, such as polyphyletism, non-paternity, adoption, or matrilineal surname transmission, may prevent the joint transmission of the surname and the Y chromosome. By genotyping 17 Y-STRs and 68 SNPs in ~2500 male samples that each carried one of the 50 selected Catalan surnames, we could determine sets of descendants of a common ancestor, the population of origin of the common ancestor, and the date when such a common ancestor lived. Haplotype diversity was positively correlated with surname frequency, that is, rarer surnames showed the strongest signals of coancestry. Introgression rates of Y chromosomes into a surname by non-paternity, adoption, and transmission of the maternal surname were estimated at 1.5?2.6% per generation, with some local variation. Average ages for the founders of the surnames were estimated at ~500 years, suggesting a delay between the origin of surnames (twelfth and thirteenth centuries) and the systematization of their paternal transmission. We have found that, in general, a foreign etymology for a surname does not often result in a non-indigenous origin of surname founders; however, bearers of some surnames with an Arabic etymology show an excess of North African haplotypes. Finally, we estimate that surname prediction from a Y-chromosome haplotype, which may have interesting forensic applications, has a ~60% sensitivity but a 17% false discovery rate.



    source:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201514


    farroukh from e3b haplozone did a great work :


    he extracted E-M35 haplotypes and deleted the completely blanc ones

    Final sample contains:
    E-M123 - 43 hpts
    E-M180 - 1 hpt
    E-M35* - 1 hpt
    E-M81 - 41 hpts
    E-V12 - 7 hpts
    E-V13 - 90 hpts
    E-V22 - 4 hpts


    now of the 40 e-m123 haplotypes
    30 are e-L791 and 10 are e-m84
    farroukh compare the haplotypes from the paper in terms of y-str markers to data base that was free before of
    e3b clusters ....




    https://i.imgur.com/KOyaBBk.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/mLBoZpT.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/W0V1Bwh.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/kiGouU1.jpg

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    from the albanian data base
    in last 2 pages of the enteries

    https://translate.googleusercontent....hENBmj5TfUlCyg

    e-m34 haplotypes ( mixture of e-L791 and e-m84)






    although generally speaking extremely low % in total albania
    there are some albanian regions who show 4-5% e-m34 (in different sub-branches)


    https://translate.googleusercontent....4UkGqLPb-yVVkQ


    p.s
    % in regions
    can change in future with more samples

    in kukes the samples are e-y4972 ( e-L791 subclade)
    in berat and tirana they are e-fgc18353
    there are also 2 samples (1 from tirana and 1 from elbasan) who are e-z21466( an e-z849 subclade)

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    E-M34 has nothing to do with Albanians, there are only 12 people with it out of 1000+ tested, that means roughly 1% - it is more common in other places in balkans like Greece, Bulgaria or Serbia - either roman spread, Jewish or Middle eastern ottoman.

    Places in Albania with more than 1% have had very few tests so results are skewed

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaktikatEMalet View Post
    E-M34 has nothing to do with Albanians, there are only 12 people with it out of 1000+ tested, that means roughly 1% - it is more common in other places in balkans like Greece, Bulgaria or Serbia - either roman spread, Jewish or Middle eastern ottoman.

    Places in Albania with more than 1% have had very few tests so results are skewed

    indeed
    but i wouldn't be surprised it it came with romaniotes
    or in roman period
    it is intersting that the e-m34
    are in different branches and clades
    e-y4972, e-z21466, e-fgc18353
    so they might entered albania in different time from different sources

    p.s
    i never said it is common
    and i mentioned it is extremely low %
    and results may change in future sample
    it is still interesting though
    same goes for the e1a-m132 cases in diber and golloborda

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    it was found suprisingly in belgrade roma ( i wonder if they are e-L791 or e-m84 branches or mix of both)

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...63X?via%3Dihub

    https://i.imgur.com/tIZQK1B.png

    To shed light on this matter, 161 Y-chromosomes from Roma, residing in two different provinces of Serbia, were analyzed.



    from paper:

    the presence of E1b1b1c-M123 sublineage in the Belgrade Roma population is most likely the result of its assimilation from southern-central Europe
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    some tips about str markers
    that i learned from e3b haplozone from
    http://community.haplozone.net/
    efgen which is adminstrator there and also in e3b project

    e-m35
    In all of haplogroup E1b1b, the modal (most common) value for DYS392 is 11. DYS392 is quite a stable marker, and mutations are rare.




    e-m34 in 67 markers
    the last 4 markers of M123/M34/M84 are usually either 10-12-10-11 or 11-12-10-11)
    ( she meant markers : dys572, dy640, dys492, dys565)



    e-L791
    You are definitely still in cluster E3b1c1-G. What I was specifically looking for was DYS447<24, and you have 21. Everyone in clusters E3b1c1-F and E3b1c1-G have these low DYS447 values, while the vast majority of E3b has DYS447 >= 24 (except E3b1b2 which almost always has 23).

    cluster F and cluster G are both e-L791 downstreams




    e-m84
    Add his DYS413=20-21 (M84 modal is 21-24)

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