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Thread: R1a Japanese distribution & Kofun period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    The Altaic character of Japanese is more evident in the grammar than in the actual vocabulary. Japanese, Korean and Mongolian are agglutinative languages, like all Altaic (including Turkic), Uralic and Native American languages (in other words all languages originating in Siberia).

    But I can think of a few words similar in Japanese and Mongolian. For example, black is kuro Japanese, qara in Mongolian, kara in Turkish.

    Japanese is an extremely composite language. Its grammar is Altaic, its sounds and some of its vocabulary are Austronesian, its core vocabulary is native Japanese but most of the technical, religious, political, academic or other formal words are from Chinese.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arame View Post
    Maciamo can the agglutinative nature be a sufficient to classification? My impression is that agglutinativeness was widespread. Dravidians, Sumerian, Hurrians, Hattic and some of Caucasian languages are/were agglutinative....

    Keep in mind that grammatical features can sometimes arise in languages due to either contact with another language with that feature, or due to natural language change. For example, Farsi is an Indo-European language but lacks grammatical gender. Does the fact that it lacks grammatical gender mean that it really should be reclassified as a Uralic language or a member of another family whose members typically lack gender? Of course not. Maybe speakers of Old Persian had sustained contact with a population that spoke a language without grammar, and grammatical gender became lost as a compromise between the populations as the non-Persian speakers increasingly adopted Persian.

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    R1a is not actually THAT rare in China. Central Asian peoples of Indo-European and Indo-Iranian origin entered China and were assimilated into the Han. I remember seeing a guy on ranhaer from Hebei who had R1b. Chinese Muslims can have J1 and J2 due to assimilation of Persians and Arabs who brought Islam to China by both land and sea routes.

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    ​I've also known of the Gokturks and Xiongnu having R1a. Some descendants of the Gokturks are R1a-Z93.

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    Is maybe something new known about the amount of R1 in native Japan?

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    R1a is common among nomadic tribes in western China, while it is completely absent in Japan. The Kofun culture likely originated from southwestern Korea. A famous mural tomb painting from the Kofun era obviously shows its Korean roots as the four noble ladies wear Paekche clothes. The Kofun period emperors belonged to haplogroup D1b1a2, assuming that all Japanese emperors had the same Y-DNA lineage.

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