Tabaccus Maximus
Tabaccus Maximus
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- Ethnic group
- Galo-Germanic Atlantic Fringe
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b - SRY 2627
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H1a
Did Haplogroup R* (NE or Central Asian hunter-gatherers) inject ceramic technology in Near Eastern farming cultures of the Early Neolithic???
Rhetorical question..thoughts..
An interesting a note to start; ceramic technology is first associated with hunter-gatherer peoples in the east, such as the Jomonese (O), Jiangxia (probably O).
NO & P are two major brother clades of MNOPS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M526
M & S remained fairly isolated in the Pacific islands, however from N & O we get the vast major of Asian male lineages. From P* we get haplogroups Q & R which are in some cases the exclusive paternal haplogroups of Native Americans and West Asians (Euros) respectively.
Now it would be an understatement to say they have been successful. We'll say they were 'highly procreative'.
I've theorized in another thread on this forum, several days before the Paleoamerican conference leaks on Mal'ta to be exact, that mound building in the Americas, Siberia and West Asia has an origin with P-M45, the father clade of R* and Q*. It is almost irresistable given the similarities.
In another post I postulated a possible link with tattooing and descendant cultures of MNOPS. That is a rabbit hole absolutely worth jumping in to.
So now, I will add one more amatuer observation to the massive heap of amatuer observations:
Could it be that ceramic pottery (real use ceramics) made its way into the pre-pottery Neolithic of the Near East VIA a westward moving NE Central Asian culture...
Oh, let's say R1* and R2??? The origin of pottery, and the timing of its spread into the Near East and SWA should be enough to raise ebrows.
http://scahome.org/publications/proceedings/Proceedings.12Kajiwara.pdf
Given the near monopoly of Haplogroup Q in South America and the earliest dating of pottery among the O haplogroups, wouldn't it seem possible that some aeral contact in the sphere of these brother clades had an already established ceramic culture.
Other than R* who else could have brought ceramic technology West. One more thing to consider, for those of you who believe in peaceful technology transfers, the PPN transition of Merhgahr doesn't at all look like a love fest. In fact the varied, stratified burial patterns are clearly intrusive. I think you see the same pattern in the Early NE Neolithic.
I think understanding the ceramic pottery transition in the early Neolithic may be a critical link to understanding the autosomal composition of modern Europeans, Near Easterers and SW Asians.
Fire away!!
Rhetorical question..thoughts..
An interesting a note to start; ceramic technology is first associated with hunter-gatherer peoples in the east, such as the Jomonese (O), Jiangxia (probably O).
NO & P are two major brother clades of MNOPS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M526
M & S remained fairly isolated in the Pacific islands, however from N & O we get the vast major of Asian male lineages. From P* we get haplogroups Q & R which are in some cases the exclusive paternal haplogroups of Native Americans and West Asians (Euros) respectively.
Now it would be an understatement to say they have been successful. We'll say they were 'highly procreative'.
I've theorized in another thread on this forum, several days before the Paleoamerican conference leaks on Mal'ta to be exact, that mound building in the Americas, Siberia and West Asia has an origin with P-M45, the father clade of R* and Q*. It is almost irresistable given the similarities.
In another post I postulated a possible link with tattooing and descendant cultures of MNOPS. That is a rabbit hole absolutely worth jumping in to.
So now, I will add one more amatuer observation to the massive heap of amatuer observations:
Could it be that ceramic pottery (real use ceramics) made its way into the pre-pottery Neolithic of the Near East VIA a westward moving NE Central Asian culture...
Oh, let's say R1* and R2??? The origin of pottery, and the timing of its spread into the Near East and SWA should be enough to raise ebrows.
http://scahome.org/publications/proceedings/Proceedings.12Kajiwara.pdf
Given the near monopoly of Haplogroup Q in South America and the earliest dating of pottery among the O haplogroups, wouldn't it seem possible that some aeral contact in the sphere of these brother clades had an already established ceramic culture.
Other than R* who else could have brought ceramic technology West. One more thing to consider, for those of you who believe in peaceful technology transfers, the PPN transition of Merhgahr doesn't at all look like a love fest. In fact the varied, stratified burial patterns are clearly intrusive. I think you see the same pattern in the Early NE Neolithic.
I think understanding the ceramic pottery transition in the early Neolithic may be a critical link to understanding the autosomal composition of modern Europeans, Near Easterers and SW Asians.
Fire away!!