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Thread: New map of mtDNA haplogroup L

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    One study cannot stand as the last word on the distribution of any haplotype anywhere. Has anyone ever heard of the novel concept of "averaging"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fla88 View Post
    I'm the only one then :/
    We have family links between ourselves ( if you are one of these ) via marriages between the Cemin-Corso and Pelzer families...............period close to 1700
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    Quote Originally Posted by oriental View Post
    L3 mtDna accompanied E yDna. y Dna Haplogroups C, I, G and E were in Europe before Ria and R1b. When Rib conquered France and Spain these indigenous Europeans I, G, and E either escaped to the mountainous areas or towards the Mediterranean Coasts. Your ancestors were from mountains so you could be from those ancient mountain refugees.
    Y haplogroups I, G and 1b1b (NOT E1b1a) are European, But Y haplogroup C??? Y haplogoup C is native to Asia and the Americas, not Europe. Your suggesting that haplogroup more native to Europe than R1b????

    Were did R1b originate from according to you, outer space????? My BS detector is going off here.

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    Jackblack is a comedian and needs to keep up. La Brana has been discussed in eupedia a year ago or more.

    http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot...are-y-dna.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackBlack View Post
    Y haplogroups I, G and 1b1b (NOT E1b1a) are European, But Y haplogroup C??? Y haplogoup C is native to Asia and the Americas, not Europe. Your suggesting that haplogroup more native to Europe than R1b????

    Were did R1b originate from according to you, outer space????? My BS detector is going off here.
    as per Karafet june 2014 paper, basal R-M207 is south-east asia along with its parent P

    If we need to note what R is european then note a subclade and not just R1a or R1b

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    The Tuscans samples used for this map come from 3 single villages from a study about Etruscan DNA. Boattini et al. found 0 mtdna L in Tuscany.

    Sarno et al. found 0.64% of L, 0% for mainland South Italy (Calabria, Apulia and Lucania) and 1.1% for Sicily.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/fetch...e.0096074.s005

    The same study found 1.53% of E-M81 for South Italy+Sicily, 0.91% for South Italy and 1.27% for Sicily.

    The only E-M81 found in South Italy out of 110 samples comes from Cosenza, Calabria.

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    Indeed even the deep south Italy have very few genetic links with north Africa and the only L founded in Sicily is from Trapani and it is nonexistent in the rest of the island in this study.

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    However JoeyC notice the percentage of mtDNA U6 typical for berber women but pratically just two cases in 313 tested southern italians.

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    Not all U6 is of North African origin though. Most of it is of Iberian mesolitich origin. A remnant of La Brana like people who dominated Southern Europe before the Neolitich revolution.

    BTW no M1 has been found in mainland South Italy either. There are only two U6 out of 115 samples, one from Lecce and one from Cosenza.

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    And again M1 is existent in Trapani (and one case in Agrigento) and not founded in the center and the east of the island.

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