New map of mtDNA haplogroup L

[Angela]

One study cannot stand as the last word on the distribution of any haplotype anywhere. Has anyone ever heard of the novel concept of "averaging"?

[Sile]

I'm the only one then :/

We have family links between ourselves ( if you are one of these ) via marriages between the Cemin-Corso and Pelzer families...............period close to 1700

[JackBlack]

L3 mtDna accompanied E yDna. y Dna Haplogroups C, I, G and E were in Europe before Ria and R1b. When Rib conquered France and Spain these indigenous Europeans I, G, and E either escaped to the mountainous areas or towards the Mediterranean Coasts. Your ancestors were from mountains so you could be from those ancient mountain refugees.

Y haplogroups I, G and 1b1b (NOT E1b1a) are European, But Y haplogroup C??? Y haplogoup C is native to Asia and the Americas, not Europe. Your suggesting that haplogroup more native to Europe than R1b????

Were did R1b originate from according to you, outer space????? My BS detector is going off here.

[oriental]

Jackblack is a comedian and needs to keep up. La Brana has been discussed in eupedia a year ago or more.

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot...are-y-dna.html

[Sile]

Y haplogroups I, G and 1b1b (NOT E1b1a) are European, But Y haplogroup C??? Y haplogoup C is native to Asia and the Americas, not Europe. Your suggesting that haplogroup more native to Europe than R1b????

Were did R1b originate from according to you, outer space????? My BS detector is going off here.

as per Karafet june 2014 paper, basal R-M207 is south-east asia along with its parent P

If we need to note what R is european then note a subclade and not just R1a or R1b

[joeyc]

The Tuscans samples used for this map come from 3 single villages from a study about Etruscan DNA. Boattini et al. found 0 mtdna L in Tuscany.

Sarno et al. found 0.64% of L, 0% for mainland South Italy (Calabria, Apulia and Lucania) and 1.1% for Sicily.

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetch...e.0096074.s005

The same study found 1.53% of E-M81 for South Italy+Sicily, 0.91% for South Italy and 1.27% for Sicily.

The only E-M81 found in South Italy out of 110 samples comes from Cosenza, Calabria.

[Hauteville]

Indeed even the deep south Italy have very few genetic links with north Africa and the only L founded in Sicily is from Trapani and it is nonexistent in the rest of the island in this study.

[Hauteville]

However JoeyC notice the percentage of mtDNA U6 typical for berber women but pratically just two cases in 313 tested southern italians.

[joeyc]

Not all U6 is of North African origin though. Most of it is of Iberian mesolitich origin. A remnant of La Brana like people who dominated Southern Europe before the Neolitich revolution.

BTW no M1 has been found in mainland South Italy either. There are only two U6 out of 115 samples, one from Lecce and one from Cosenza.

[Hauteville]

And again M1 is existent in Trapani (and one case in Agrigento) and not founded in the center and the east of the island.

[veronica58]

I have been told my great great grandparents were Jewish, my MtDNA is L1b1a my autosomal DNA is different with 3 companies, consisting generally with about 65% North Western Europe with smaller percentages with 23 & Me of West Asian and North African, West African and Spanish & Portuguese etc FTDNA gave me 20% Southern European and My Heritage gave me 27% Greece and Balkans. As I have been able to trace all ancestors with a paper trail for at least 10 generations back except for my great great grandparents I am assuming that the Southern European etc % is from them? Only problem is The great great grandfather was born in England and the great great grandmother was born in Ireland. I am a direct female to female descendent of hers and carry the same haplogroup of L1b1a. How does L1b1a fit in with Ireland? Thanks!

[adnsanchezherrero]

Hi Flavia,

I am a L3f1b too (subclade L3f1b6). My subclade seems to be quite frequent in Asturias (NW Spain). According to Wikipedia it reached Iberia in a very remote time:

There is at least one relatively deep non-M, non-N clade of L3 outside Africa, L3f1b6, which is found at a frequency of 1% in Asturias, Spain. It diverged from African L3 lineages at least 10,000 years ago.

There is a few of us in a FB group (I don't have enough points to include links).

Regards
Fernando, Madrid