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    Are the Northern European countries much more clever than the ones in the South?



    When comparing the North ; Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland.... with South ; Portugal, Spain, Greece, Croatia, Albania, Bulgaria.... the one can notice that the North is working much more than the South. Working hours can be lesser in some countries maybe but their "efficiency" is very high.

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    It's a very subjective matter.. what does "more clever" means? Are you implying they are more intelligent? There are several kinds of intelligence. They have different policies also.

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    by clever actually i mean working hard or loving to work hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intorg View Post
    by clever actually i mean working hard or loving to work hard.
    I don't think that word means what you think it means. My dictionary defines "clever" as having a quick mind or being skillful or expert at doing some particular thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberdeen View Post
    I don't think that word means what you think it means. My dictionary defines "clever" as having a quick mind or being skillful or expert at doing some particular thing.
    I agree. It seems that intorg is misconstruing the concept of work ethic with intelligence. Cultural work ethic varies from region to region, country to country, but intelligence level is a very individual thing. Possession of high level intelligence does not translate to higher level work ethic. With respect, the question posed does not make sense.

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    We already had a fiery discussion about this here:
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    The question makes sense and the answer is that they really work harder and are more cleverer.
    Biggest enemy to the work ethic in school and work is the american style pure individualism and hedonistic lifestyle.

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    I don't think they are so much cleverer. In my humble opinion north europeans (and in the past also germany, but not any more ) are very confiding to each-other, the community and finally the whole state. Scandinavians are trustworthy and they do have trust. This is the reason why like nowhere else the majority of the population is in harmony with governmental institutions (I heard of recent problems in sweden though). The state is more considered like a father or partner, in contrast to greeks (and interestingly also partly US-americans), who are very sceptical of government and foreign clans. The trust makes scandinavians integer and less corrupt. Low corruption is the key to success imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idun View Post
    The question makes sense and the answer is that they really work harder and are more cleverer.
    Biggest enemy to the work ethic in school and work is the american style pure individualism and hedonistic lifestyle.
    So what you're actually saying is that certain groups aren't cleverer than others, they just have different cultures. IMO, any attempt to equate genetics and intelligence is based on ignoring just how very influential cultural values are and how much they can differ in various parts of the world. Of course, climate plays a part in creating a culture, so it's complicated.

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    You have to take into consideration the different values of Euro in North Europe compared to South Europe.
    Since I think that opinion,according to which people from North Europe are more productive than those from South Europe,is based on how much money those from North are making compared to those from South.
    As for being smarter or not,Italians have a very high medium IQ,so I do not think it has to do with North or South,here.

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    They are different, I think. Are they smarter? Its always a posssibility, but more time is needed. Romans would have said the same 2000 yrs ago, so do Greeks. If we admit that northerns are smarter so we have to admit that jews are smarter than anyone above. North has a lot bigger population too. They are about 300 mil, Italy excluded. Southerns not even 40 mil, spain, portugal excluded. So of course more ideas will come when there are more people.

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    they're not more clever, they're just luckier. I would like to see Sweden go through 500 years of Turkish occupation and then 50 years of Totalitarianism and see how developed and positive-thinking it would come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamani View Post
    they're not more clever, they're just luckier. I would like to see Sweden go through 500 years of Turkish occupation and then 50 years of Totalitarianism and see how developed and positive-thinking it would come out.
    I agree. If a state, government or society was used to be under long-lasting foreign control, the population is used to be sceptical of it and prefers to run sub-structures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamani View Post
    they're not more clever, they're just luckier. I would like to see Sweden go through 500 years of Turkish occupation and then 50 years of Totalitarianism and see how developed and positive-thinking it would come out.
    Thats exactly the point;
    One just has to compare West Germany and East Germany;
    Are the East Germans any dumber (by nature) than the West Germans; Of course not;
    But 23 years ago East Germany was a toilet and West Germany was booming - all just fate of History;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody1 View Post
    Thats exactly the point;
    One just has to compare West Germany and East Germany;
    Are the East Germans any dumber (by nature) than the West Germans; Of course not;
    But 23 years ago East Germany was a toilet and West Germany was booming - all just fate of History;
    Generally speaking I agree, although one might argue, that DDR was one of best run communist country, especially when compared to Romania, Albania, not mentioning Cuba.

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    Southern Euros have a more laid back attitude regarding life. They are warmer people and enjoy life more. Northerns are the opposite: colder, work more and enjoy less their lives.Northern Europe is more advanced and have better work ethic, but that doesn' mean they are genetically superior. Southern Europe was more advanced when Northerns were living in caves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Generally speaking I agree, although one might argue, that DDR was one of best run communist country, especially when compared to Romania, Albania, not mentioning Cuba.
    Yes, it is true that DDR was the most advanced country in the socialist camp. However, without taking anything away from the Germans 'skill, it must be said here that the Communists' objective was to make the DDR a showcase country of the socialist camp in the confrontation of capitalism represented by West Germany. Then, the three countries mentioned here are not the typical countries of the socialist camp. Albania has come out and if I'm not wrong Romania also followed an independent policy from the rest of the communist countries. Cuba was far away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Generally speaking I agree, although one might argue, that DDR was one of best run communist country, especially when compared to Romania, Albania, not mentioning Cuba.

    personally I think it was Yugoslavia,
    I am certain about and it was indeed that before the 1974 inner agreements,
    after 1974 and especially after the oil crisis of 1978 start decline but still was ahead of all communistic countries till around 1985-7


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    I think north Europeans have to work harder and become cleverer because of the cold climate just to survive.

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    I'm afraid history disproves that. Farming and animal husbandry, metallurgy as a whole, certainly bronze metallurgy, the first great cities and civilizations, writing, the Greek and Roman civilizations, and the beginning of the Renaissance, have absolutely nothing to do with Northern Europe. That's a relatively recent phenomenon.


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    It would also be interesting to see a list of inventions north vs. south.

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    Inventions are only one part of a culture. Art, music, philosophy, etc. are not "inventions".

    Plus, the kinds of lists that show up on the internet or places like Wikipedia are usually about relatively recent "inventions", not the ones which underlay all of Western Civilization. They're also not ranked by importance. The "invention" of agriculture or metallurgy is more important than the invention of the electric stove by dozens of orders of magnitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm afraid history disproves that. Farming and animal husbandry, metallurgy as a whole, certainly bronze metallurgy, the first great cities and civilizations, writing, the Greek and Roman civilizations, and the beginning of the Renaissance, have absolutely nothing to do with Northern Europe. That's a relatively recent phenomenon.
    Well yes but I'm skeptical that any of these had much to do with intelligence, maybe just a consequence of higher population.

    Scandinavian countries are doing very well for themselves, the whole of Europe really, and that at least should be appreciated and acknowledged.

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    There are dumb Northern Europeans, there are smart Northern Europeans.
    There are dumb Southern Europeans, there are smart Southern Europeans.

    If you're dumb, you're still dumb regardless of ancestry :).
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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    There are dumb Northern Europeans, there are smart Northern Europeans.
    There are dumb Southern Europeans, there are smart Southern Europeans.

    If you're dumb, you're still dumb regardless of ancestry :).
    Such eloquence davef, well done.

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