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    The freedom of speech is our fundamental bulwark against tyranny of the majority.
    Truth is an absolute defense against defamation. If Truth hurts, that's too bad for you, grow a thicker skin.

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    What restrictions on the freedom of speech would you support?

    Would you ban Robert Spencer from your country for telling the truth about Islam, as he does here?


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    I see that as someone who is against Islam.... but politicians often brand anyone that's opposed to muslims as being 'racist';- even though Islam is an abusive ideology and not a race, since there's white muslims too, just like there's black christians or catholics. In the UK, it would most likely be classified as Islamophobia, or an act of prejudice against muslims and Islam. I am Islamophobic and I have a logical reason to fear the Islamic ideology after seeing so many abusive quotes from the koran book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    I see that as someone who is against Islam.... but politicians often brand anyone that's opposed to muslims as being 'racist';- even though Islam is an abusive ideology and not a race, since there's white muslims too, just like there's black christians or catholics. In the UK, it would most likely be classified as Islamophobia, or an act of prejudice against muslims and Islam. I am Islamophobic and I have a logical reason to fear the Islamic ideology after seeing so many abusive quotes from the koran book.
    Knowing old testament and atrocities Christians did in history, and still some of them do in modern times, shouldn't you also be Christianophobic?
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Knowing old testament and atrocities Christians did in history, and still some of them do in modern times, shouldn't you also be Christianophobic?
    I have read the violence of the Old Testament. I find it abhorrent. But I have a few things to say about it.
    The violence of the old testament is descriptive not prescriptive as it is in the Quran. Besides, a great deal of the old testament laws associated with temple worship are no longer valid for Jews, and never have been for Christians. Another point is the evidence from statistics. Whenever there is a terrorist attack, most often the motives are found in the scriptures of Islam, the Quran and the Hidiths. Yet I have not heard of a single case where a Christian blew himself up saying "Jesus is Lord". When Jerry Fallwell starts beheading people in the name of Christ then you might have a point, but otherwise Christian violence is ancient history. Islamic violence is a daily reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    I have read the violence of the Old Testament. I find it abhorrent. But I have a few things to say about it.
    The violence of the old testament is descriptive not prescriptive as it is in the Quran. Besides, a great deal of the old testament laws associated with temple worship are no longer valid for Jews, and never have been for Christians. Another point is the evidence from statistics. Whenever there is a terrorist attack, most often the motives are found in the scriptures of Islam, the Quran and the Hidiths. Yet I have not heard of a single case where a Christian blew himself up saying "Jesus is Lord". When Jerry Fallwell starts beheading people in the name of Christ then you might have a point, but otherwise Christian violence is ancient history. Islamic violence is a daily reality.
    Maybe not today, but In the Name of Lord" most of battles started, on both sides in last 1,500 years in Europe and 500 in America. In Name of Lord Prussians were killed on the last crusade. In Name of Lord people were burning in purifying fire. The list is so long, and I'm sure you know most of it. If Christians or Europeans in general could put aside Bible and become tolerant, I'm sure Muslims can do that too. Well, you should know, that it is possible, you live in Canada and you have Muslim neighbors. Are they about to kill you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Maybe not today, but In the Name of Lord" most of battles started, on both sides in last 1,500 years in Europe and 500 in America. In Name of Lord Prussians were killed on the last crusade. In Name of Lord people were burning in purifying fire. The list is so long, and I'm sure you know most of it. If Christians or Europeans in general could put aside Bible and become tolerant, I'm sure Muslims can do that too. Well, you should know, that it is possible, you live in Canada and you have Muslim neighbors. Are they about to kill you?
    No, let's make a distinction here between Muslims and Islam, that is often overlooked.
    There is no Islam without sharia or jihad. This doesn't mean that a person identifying with the religion either knows about nor cares about these passages, but they are there. And as Muslims become more fervently religious and observant, they discover these passages. And since they believe the Quran is written by God, and Muhammad is the excellent example of human conduct, their culture is hostage to the insidious baggage of the Islamic scriptures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    No, let's make a distinction here between Muslims and Islam, that is often overlooked.
    There is no Islam without sharia or jihad. This doesn't mean that a person identifying with the religion either knows about nor cares about these passages, but they are there. And as Muslims become more fervently religious and observant, they discover these passages. And since they believe the Quran is written by God, and Muhammad is the excellent example of human conduct, their culture is hostage to the insidious baggage of the Islamic scriptures.
    And all the peaceful and tolerant Muslims around the world are proving you wrong. On one side we have your hypotheses, on other real people living their lives. Sorry, but I will take real life as an indicator who is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    And all the peaceful and tolerant Muslims around the world are proving you wrong. On one side we have your hypotheses, on other real people living their lives. Sorry, but I will take real life as an indicator who is right.
    altough you do, you don't want to see it, but Islam fundamentalism is a reality in this world
    it is spreading and they find their inspiration in the Quran

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