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    One more to add, although it's not a close-up, so I don't know how much you can tell from it. This is a Scythian skull:


    I don't know how this corresponds with these self-representations by the Scythians. It's sometimes difficult to know if the artists are always using their own people as models, or are copying the style as well as the technique of another culture. The answer differs depending on the time period.





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    scythian: mesocephalic or rather sub-brachycephalic (uneasy to say with this angle) - doesn't seem 'mongoloid' at first sight - it is a pity we have not several angles for every skull...
    all the way I thank the people who provide this pictures of crania

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    I don't know how much you can tell from this photo, but these are the remains from a mesolithic burial in Brittany. The majority opinion seems to be that the two young women were murdered by blows to the head.


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    they all look pretty dead to me

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    How profound.

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    playing again:
    looking again at the Shkul skulls (Palestine, 100000 BC), I find they show in the same time a) archaïc features b) evident subsaharian features: were these features lost after by our ancestors by the mutations-selection system or were they another phylum without to close relations with us? they seem to me more "negroid" than a lot of East African people of today -

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    playing again:
    looking again at the Shkul skulls (Palestine, 100000 BC), I find they show in the same time a) archaïc features b) evident subsaharian features: were these features lost after by our ancestors by the mutations-selection system or were they another phylum without to close relations with us? they seem to me more "negroid" than a lot of East African people of today -
    The answer might be affected by which side one takes as to the dating for the out of Africa migrations leading to West Eurasians? In other words, are we West Eurasians descended from people who migrated from Africa over 100,000 years ago, only 60,000 years ago, or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    The answer might be affected by which side one takes as to the dating for the out of Africa migrations leading to West Eurasians? In other words, are we West Eurasians descended from people who migrated from Africa over 100,000 years ago, only 60,000 years ago, or both?
    in fact I insisted too much on the supposed (by myself) subsaharian traits - as a whole it seem now to me it is by far the "archaïc" asec (something 'neanderthaloid') which predominates in teseShkul skulls (a storm in a glass of water?)

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    when I look at Motala skull, Loschbour skull and others skulls of mesolithical cultural communities during neolithic time in Sweden, I see everytime a strong 'brünn-capelloid' trend in them all - could be interesting if we can prove they were as a whole Y-I2 people ???... so the more occidental more cromagnoid ones could have been bearing another Y- HaploG??? which one? Y-C??????????? Y-E1??????? confusing!

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    Two skeletons entwined (male and female) from Neolithic Italy (5000 years ago), Mantua area. People in the neolithic era were endowed with romanticism
    tumblr_mi6kclRO1J1rui49ao1_500.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    Two skeletons entwined (male and female) from Neolithic Italy (5000 years ago), Mantua area. People in the neolithic era were endowed with romanticism
    tumblr_mi6kclRO1J1rui49ao1_500.jpg
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    I'd say a capacity for love and tenderness. :)

    Not all that far in terms of geography, at least, from the Etruscan era:
    Attachment 6821

    Different skull shapes, though.

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    Neolithic "Romeo and Juliet" look strongly dolychocephalic to me, it's consistent with the mediterranean origins of neolithic people, IMHO.

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    36-39 thousand year old hunter gatherer from Kostenki Russia. Also known as K14. Y DNA C, mtDNA U2. Supposedly very Cro-Magnoid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    36-39 thousand year old hunter gatherer from Kostenki Russia. Also known as K14. Y DNA C, mtDNA U2. Supposedly very Cro-Magnoid.

    Very archaic looking to me...look at those brow ridges and those incisors. Still, is the reconstruction originally done on the skull accurate?

    See: Kostenki Man

    http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BfC6j03vee0/TB...jpg?imgmax=800

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7t4meQzsnB...0/Kostenki.jpg

    If it is, then his people were pretty "Australoid" looking, and perhaps Mal'ta was too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Very archaic looking to me...look at those brow ridges and those incisors. Still, is the reconstruction originally done on the skull accurate?

    See: Kostenki Man

    If it is, then his people were pretty "Australoid" looking, and perhaps Mal'ta was too.
    Yes, it does look archaic, in old European Cro-Magnoid terms, so are Australoid skulls. Perhaps this is where the artist got his inspiration to finish the flesh. Can we find skulls of farmers from Near East from 10kya to see if modern European skull comes from there? Where this full forehead with no eyebridges developed first. Is it the first farmer thing?

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    These are skulls from Israel, dated between 80-120 thousand years ago. Possibly first exodus of Homo Sapiens from Africa, also possible interbreeding with Neanderthals. No genetic tests were done on these ones yet.




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skhul_and_Qafzeh_hominids

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    try;
    the Kostenki crania is more archaïc than our (later or not) Cro-Magnons of Western Europe but as a whole is very "europoidlike" concerning prognathy and browridges:
    different from today pure Aborigenes of Australia and different at first sight from the 'brünnoïd-capelloid' features:
    his jaws, chink and degree of prognathy are very far from the Palestinian remnants (Qazfeh???) and the browridges are not so strong as in other primitive skulls (look at Loschbour, Mesolithic of Luxemburg);
    as a whole a bit higher faced and more robust than average Cro-Magnon but with this taste of rotondity in skulls, opposite to the 'brünn-capelloid' trend: it seems to me the more cro-manoids shew later two tendancies, apart the progressive and more or less complete brachycephalization:
    in Northern Europe they seemed stronger, heavier faced and a bit less shorter faced, skulls a bit higher and frontals seemed a bit more receding, less "cerebral" than in South -
    as a whole and it could be partly an adaptative trend, South and West became smaller even if staying robust - these differences seen in Mesolithic, with northern forms more massive and slightly more "brutal" as in Oberkassel 'cromagnoid' skull, could explain the differences between 'alpine' (gracilised) and 'borreby' (A) -
    as a whole this "Russian" man seems to me at the possible sources of Cro-Magnon' and 'Brünnoid' types, but if true, Cro-Magnon keepS closer concerning bones - it says nothing concerning their respective genetic drift compared to this man's autosomals, IF HE IS AMONG THEIR ANCESTORS LIGNEAGE -
    distinct of Australians Aborigenes for I think to date -

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    it's hazardous because I have not occasion to compare seriously but I could bet Qazfeh skulls are closer to Australians skulls ?... all the way more 'africanoid' in the sense of 'subsaharian'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    Neolithic "Romeo and Juliet" look strongly dolychocephalic to me, it's consistent with the mediterranean origins of neolithic people, IMHO.
    dolichocephaly, strong or moderate, was the rule in a ot of places and eras, so it is not a criteria in itself - the brachycephalisation seems having seriously begun in Eurasia about the 7000/6000 BC -
    some skulls means of Cyprus in PPN (neolithical without pottery, about the 7000 BC or earlier) were very less dolichocephalic, the survey I red did not give the CI (what a pity!) -
    as a whole the Palestine settlements of this PPN gave means and shapes very heterogenous, between (inter) and sometimes within (intra) so... more than a sort of Neolithical people came in Europe - the first apparently stayed only in South-central Turkey and fared by sea very often, with almost only mt-K - other surveys concluded the first Neolithic people of S-E Europe were physically closer to a partly isolated population based around çatal-Hüyük in S-Anatolia, different alsofrom the frist Cyprus settlements and from other subsequent waves of Near-Eastern people -

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    Gravettian from Czech republic. 30-20 thousand years old.




    https://www.nespos.org/pages/viewpag...ageId=55672851

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    Gravettian woman, 26,000 Predmosti, Czech Republic.

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    Magdalenian culture, 17-13 thousands year ago, France:

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Gravettian from Czech republic. 30-20 thousand years old.




    https://www.nespos.org/pages/viewpag...ageId=55672851
    thanks for good pictures: very nice and pretty boys and girls!
    curiously enough (or logically? it depends on interpretation) I find it is half way between Cro-magnon (SW France,typical) and Brünn-Combe-Capelle - a precise datation (new methods) would be welcome because it could change the notion of crossing to the one of older form undifferentiated (I bet on the first explanation but?... the 'brünnoid' forms are supposed to be came there from East AFTER the genuine 'cromagnoid' ones)
    the Brno/Brünn and Predmost regions were supposed to be the meating place of the two big 'phyla' (phylums??) but the dates heavily matter here -

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    Lebrok, have you some photo's of the Magdalenian 'Chancelade ' skulls, from different angles, and have you other 'Chancelade' men or women at hand?
    thanks beforehand for good sharing

    looking at this specimen, I find it present something which could be seen as a step towards a proto-mediterranian type: still some archaic features but far mor numerous "modern" traits -
    roughly same ratio mandibule breadth/cheekbones breadth as 'brünn' or 'combe-capelle' but more compressed, and typically modern 'mediterranian' the beginning of reducing of the inferior mandibule in all dimensions, and broadening of frontal-temporal frontier, frontal seemingly a bit bulbous on this picture - for the nose, too destroyed! -
    so a trend towards 'mediterranians would be started in some ligneages of France at this time: upon what older form? not Cro-Magnon at first sight -
    from what I red, without clear explanations, some Magdalenians were more ont the Cro-Magnon side: how much of this 'chancelade' form at these times? an early infiltration from South or an evolution on older more ruggish forms of 'combe-capelle'?

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    after some more observation, the Czech gravettian you posted seems to me more on C-M 's side, for a lot of details

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