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    Collection of skulls.



    skulls on wiki.



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    Neanderthal left, Human right



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    Cro Magnon




    I'm not sure if this jaw looks original?




    Cro Magnon from Southwest Germany

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    La Braña 1, 5,000 BCE


    http://phys.org/news/2014-01-spanish-hunter-gatherer-blue-eyes-dark.html
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    LBK skull, 5,000 BC
    The archaeological site of
    Herxheim, located in the municipality of Herxheim in southwest Germany, was a ritual center and a mass grave formed by people of theLinearbandkeramik (LBK) culture in Neolithic Europe. The site is often compared to that of the Talheim Death Pit and Schletz-Asparn, but is quite different in nature. The site dates from between 5300 and 4950 BC
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schaedel_Herxheim_01.jpg

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    Motala skull from Sweden, 8ky old.

    http://www.history.com/news/human-sk...ge-burial-site

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    Supposedly this is Loschbour skull. 6,000 BCE


    The Loschbour skull.
    The prominent browridge
    is very unusual for
    Paleolithic Europeans.

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    The best picture I've found of Mal'ta boy.

    http://donsmaps.com/malta.html

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    Don't Lochsbour and Motala look more archaic? They have quite slanted forehead and strong eye brow ridges. The hg I2a and mt U trait?

    On other hand La Brana hg C6 looks more Chro Magnoid and more modern.

    LBK skull, their contemporary looks very modern.

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    Otzi, the ice man 3,300 BCE

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    Do we have Stuttgart man skull, the EEF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    The Combe-Capelle age of 35,000 BP is not correct anymore, it is much younger:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combe-Capelle

    The famous Homo sapiens from Combe Capelle was for a long time considered to be a Paleolithic Cro-Magnon man and one of the oldest findings of modern humans in Europe. However, in 2011 collagen from a tooth of the skull in Berlin was dated with accelerator mass spectrometry to an age of only 7575 BC.[1] Consequently, it was clearly a man of the Epipaleolithic (Holocene).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Cro Magnon
    I'm not sure if this jaw looks original?




    Cro Magnon from Southwest Germany
    thiq "cromagnon" is not a pure 'cromagnon':
    too large and to rounded orbits and too high orbits, too high and narrow mandibule (lower jaw); the crania only shows some references - very too often ancient scientists named "cromagnoid" mesolithical people of diverse origin, very often crossed with the 'c-capelle-brünn' phylum -
    this one by the way presents (for me at first sight at a single angle picture) NO c-capelle-brünn' trend
    an amateur analysis

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    i,nteresting - thanks -
    as an amateur I would say the Kennewick man seems already slightly on the way to a 'mongoloid' type - (excessively flaring jaws, high orbits, soft frontal lines and anterior cheek bones (always with the risks of misinterpretation due to too lees angles of view) - but the older the skulls the less evident the differences, very often, for modern men -

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHorsto View Post
    The Combe-Capelle age of 35,000 BP is not correct anymore, it is much younger:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combe-Capelle
    correct if I rely on the late papers - but Predmost is very close to Combe-Capelle -all are supposed to be come from FarEast into Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Otzi, the ice man 3,300 BCE
    I thank again here Lebrok for his skulls posting -
    concerning Ötzi, when I saw his skull I did not feal it as a 'mediterranean' crania, and I keep on thinking that - I said and I say again he shows features where more than a type is implied and among them some 'cromagnoid' features, on na 'alpine' way (I lack metric measures but it seems more mesocehpalic than true dolicho- or subdolichocephalic) - the skull is low, the orbits retains yet some cromagnoid traits - its lines are very far from the gentle mediterranean eastern types which appeared at Neolitical daybreak in western and eastern Europe (high skull, very dolichocephalic, narrower jaws, longer and narrower upper face, higher and rounder eyescokets... I confess it is a rough analysis because I lack measures and different angles of sight but... Ötzi was a mix where dominated yet mesolithical traits upon more m'editerranean' ones so the autosomlas dominant 'mediterranean' classification deserves surely to be refined...
    I have yet some problem with the less 'north european' and more 'mediterranean' classification of Northern Italians compared to Iberians too

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    the only point for Ötzi which differs it from ancestral western Europeans is the narrow inferior jaw

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    there a skull considered by Wikipedia as one of the Hirxheim ones on their site about Hirxheim - it seems different from the other, more rugged, more "viril" - more between 'cromagnon' and 'brünn' even if partially gracalized, very little influenced by south-eastern types??? even the one Lebrok produced is far from being a good example for firts neolithical agricultors if I judge upon these too single photos... but ONE angle picture is very poor help... the LBK of western Germany differed from one place to another I think: some genuine farmers and acculturated hunters gatherers according to places

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Don't Lochsbour and Motala look more archaic? They have quite slanted forehead and strong eye brow ridges. The hg I2a and mt U trait?

    On other hand La Brana hg C6 looks more Chro Magnoid and more modern.

    LBK skull, their contemporary looks very modern.
    I agree and to my eyes LBK is not less Cro Magnoid than both HGs. Merely the lower jaw is slightly narrower as Moesan also pointed out.

    I find an almost 100% resemblance between Combe-Capelle (France) and Roonka (Australia), as if they were twins. Noticeably they both are of similar age. I wonder what it means...

    Thank you for the image collection, it is very useful to have it in one place.

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    Did Neanderthals have canine teeth like Sapiens? Do you think N teeth from post one are authentic?

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    Skull and limb morphology differentially track population history and environmental factors in the transition to agriculture in Europe.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23902904
    Is there a way to access the whole paper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Supposedly this is Loschbour skull. 6,000 BCE


    The Loschbour skull.
    The prominent browridge
    is very unusual for
    Paleolithic Europeans.
    Here is a view from top found at Dienekes. Meanwhile I don't find this skull so unusual anymore. Feel free to place this pic to an appropriate place and remove my post if necessary.


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    I saw in other blogs that concerning craniology and bones, the Neolithic period corresponded to an almost disparition of ancient types (archaic: cromagnoid and brünn-capelloid) in western and central Europe: concerning western and north-western Europe I can say it is erroneous; some quoted "neolithical mediterranean" population showed a mix between ancient and new populations (in Spain by example), with some general gracilization, but this gracilization could not conceal the differences of origins; and MODERN specialists found that west-central Portugueses of the mesoloithical period were already unlevel before Neolithic people introgression (I'm glad, it confirm my previous knowledge) -
    in the Seine-Oise-marne SOM culture in France (about -2300 and later) you have the possibility to see the 33%-40% remnants of a brutal type inherited from a specific local 'cromagnoid-capelloid' crossing + other types were an 'alpine-like' type and a specific new 'mediterranean' type are obvious and new enough ( chassean << post-cardial) - in Michelberg culture too (a bit earlier but not far cousins of SOM) you could see the same resistance of ancient types- by the way, this SOM Province took over until Wallonia (Ardennes) and Luxemburg-Eiffel West-Rhine region as a whole -
    don't forget old anthropology: features are autosomals in a big part! so the mesolithic people resurgence is not so a miracle mediated by females or not...

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    Corded-ware period, Eulau in central Germany. Tested as R1a, presumably L664



    http://www.academia.edu/649220/The_E...Anhalt_Germany

    I think it shows more modern skull, with no archaic features.

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    really interesting, thank you! but I will not dare to dig on my property ;))

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