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    Quote Originally Posted by KFundora View Post
    Actually it depends. The first STR phylogenies I did I got TMRCA estimates in the 2,000+ ybp range similar to Yfull's current estimates. When I ignored the fastest ones and used the slowest ones only, I got TMRCA estimates in the 4,000+ ybp range similar to this site we discussed earlier https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/t
    Great ...........I also get correct dating .......even the Carolina's T-Ydna members ( USA ). date is very accurate .....this is their branch T1a2b1a1a Y17493 ....all dated from the 16th century when the marker was born ...in the USA




    Have a question .............have you been tested for Z33764 ?.................I have used RED text for all the SNP I tested for and negative for
    I have not tested for Z33764 ....................I was told it was from the Balearic islands marker, but when I search the 18% of T ydna from there , 99% are from the T-162 branch ( not ours ).

    T1a2b1a CTS8489(18050535 G->A) or CTS8862(18246590 G->T) 4.5 KY
    T1a2b1a1 L25/PF5345/S399 (19136822 T->C)FTDNA subgroup

    T1a2b1a2Pages113(2713589 G->A)orS17120 (15426389 A->C )

    T1a2b1a3 Z33764 (7247507 C->T) Iberians 2.7 KY

    T1a2b1a4 CTS1080 (7187436 T->C) Hispanics 2.7 KY

    T1b2b1bPages11 (14496103 C->T) FTDNA subgroup

    T1b2b1cCTS4571(15719140 C->T) Tuscans 4.5 KY
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    I have never been tested for that SNP but I am negative for L25, the SNP above it, so I should not be positive for it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFundora View Post
    I have never been tested for that SNP but I am negative for L25, the SNP above it, so I should not be positive for it either.
    Yes , same as yourself..........looks like we have reached the end of the line for now with our CTS8862 @4500yo

    what are we separated by ?...2000years?

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    But I do not know if 4,500 years is the accurate age or the one YFull provides, which is 2,200 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFundora View Post
    But I do not know if 4,500 years is the accurate age or the one YFull provides, which is 2,200 years...
    sorry....i was not clear

    I meant that the 4500 for our marker is a very accurate figure IMO and

    the 2000 years was my estimate between ourselves based on STR difference between each other...........do you think this number is when we could have split from each other or was it more?..............I think we are 10 difference in STR

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    @Fundora

    Below is another data base of only 67 markers or more tested.

    These are the ones that match our DYS390=22



    Check if any are close to yourself

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    This is with semargl right? I am closest to T8WMY (Russo on ysearch) followed by two UK N41050 and 38362 and DG4TT (Milligan on ysearch)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFundora View Post
    This is with semargl right? I am closest to T8WMY (Russo on ysearch) followed by two UK N41050 and 38362 and DG4TT (Milligan on ysearch)...
    yes and thanks

    I also have weird closeness in ysearch with:
    286444 Christian Maurer from southern Romania
    and
    194479 Daniel Hoff from Wurtenburg Germany ( sometimes uses the surname Smelser ( Smelzer ) from Tyrol )

    I do not get your connections

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    @KF

    with the new ftdna revamp in matches recently, I received two more matches

    francesco Miotto and another with surname Ulrich

    in my family tree
    in the 19th century I have ( registry documents)

    vittorio Miotto from Arcade` Veneto , Italy married Rosa Arman
    her father married a Ulrich ..........but I cannot see a connection


    did you receive any updates?

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    L446+ cts11984

    I had my brother's DNA tested a few years back and we've been reclassified several times. T-L131, T-PAGES00011 and now it looks like we are probably L446+ CTS11984 and maybe S27463.

    I sent a question in to the administrators of the T group over on FTDNA because it just seems so weird to me to be the 'only' T-PAGES00011 for so long and here is Gareth's reply - btw, I hope the BIG Y sale is a really good one this year.

    Hello Susan

    As far as I can tell your brother is the only T-PAGES00011 in the database. PAGES00011 was originally discovered in haplogroup A and when searching I found a PAGES00011+ example in haplogroup R. It therefore appears to be a recurrent SNP and possibly unreliable. I strongly suspect that when FTDNA added it to their tree a few years ago the person analysing the data made the fundamental error of not checking whether SNPs had more than one occurrance in the same haplogroup.

    So I would disregard your brother's T-PAGES00011 designation. What we do know from his Geno 2.0 results is that he is L446+ CTS11984-. We have 4 kits with this combination who have tested Big Y and three of them share a number of novel SNPs including S27463. One of them (379058) is closer to your brother than the other two and in fact is quite high up on his list of matches at 67 markers - see the attached screen shot (I have also included the matches at 111 markers although 379058 hasn't tested to that level). I think it's very likely that your brother is S27463+ and shares many novel SNPs with 379058.

    I believe FTDNA are about to announce their annual Fathers' Day sale. If Big Y is included in the sale I would encourage you to go ahead and order the test.

    Best wishes

    Gareth Henson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaford View Post
    I had my brother's DNA tested a few years back and we've been reclassified several times. T-L131, T-PAGES00011 and now it looks like we are probably L446+ CTS11984 and maybe S27463.

    I sent a question in to the administrators of the T group over on FTDNA because it just seems so weird to me to be the 'only' T-PAGES00011 for so long and here is Gareth's reply - btw, I hope the BIG Y sale is a really good one this year.

    Hello Susan

    As far as I can tell your brother is the only T-PAGES00011 in the database. PAGES00011 was originally discovered in haplogroup A and when searching I found a PAGES00011+ example in haplogroup R. It therefore appears to be a recurrent SNP and possibly unreliable. I strongly suspect that when FTDNA added it to their tree a few years ago the person analysing the data made the fundamental error of not checking whether SNPs had more than one occurrance in the same haplogroup.

    So I would disregard your brother's T-PAGES00011 designation. What we do know from his Geno 2.0 results is that he is L446+ CTS11984-. We have 4 kits with this combination who have tested Big Y and three of them share a number of novel SNPs including S27463. One of them (379058) is closer to your brother than the other two and in fact is quite high up on his list of matches at 67 markers - see the attached screen shot (I have also included the matches at 111 markers although 379058 hasn't tested to that level). I think it's very likely that your brother is S27463+ and shares many novel SNPs with 379058.

    I believe FTDNA are about to announce their annual Fathers' Day sale. If Big Y is included in the sale I would encourage you to go ahead and order the test.

    Best wishes

    Gareth Henson
    what is your kit #

    BTW, I am positive for CTS11984

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    Thats cool!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    what is your kit #

    BTW, I am positive for CTS11984
    I am kit N116155. I only have family history back to October 27, 1764. I'd like to go a lot deeper than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaford View Post
    I am kit N116155. I only have family history back to October 27, 1764. I'd like to go a lot deeper than that.
    I see your line is from Alsace France, but have you ever looked at the Drake's of Windsor .............they settled in England, Usa and France

    http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-03/1362611598

    http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-05/1211229209

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    I'll take a look at these today

    This is news to me, I'll let you know if I find anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    they are back again



    Do you ignore the "red" coded DYS .............ie, the fast mutating ones?
    @fundora

    In regards to the 2 others in our group

    Greco ( N164010) is a surname that appears all over Italy and currently there are nearly 1400 households with this surname. So I have no idea.

    the other

    N145191 ( as what I was given, is also Italian ) is surname Goldin..........there are 214 households in Italy of which all except 10 are ....only in Northern Italy ( others are only in Tuscany and Umbria ). This marker originated from a town called Monselice in the Padua province of the Veneto region.

    There seems to be also an association with this name ~1490 in the family tree of Cicogna/Mazzon ............Cicogna was a Doge of Venice and currently his old Villa is the current towns , councillors , registry offices and other offies

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    @KF

    a new person joined our group

    he is closest to you

    kit = 420992
    Levi Lee Sr., b. 1761, d. 1844, ............United Kingdom .......................T-CTS8862

    he is part of this project also
    http://www.leedna.com/dnaresults.php
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    @KF

    you are now noted in the semargl site under

    T1a2 L131>Y6033/L446>CTS933>CTS11984>CTS8862+ Europe

    With me and another - surname Fakes ( 27v79 )............origin scot-irish .........ancestors in NC USA and Tyrol Austria

    Another is Milligan ( DG4TT) ...unsure where he is from

    The site seems to be using some form of Yfull marker names

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    @KF

    with the new ftdna revamp in matches recently, I received two more matches

    francesco Miotto and another with surname Ulrich

    in my family tree
    in the 19th century I have ( registry documents)

    vittorio Miotto from Arcade` Veneto , Italy married Rosa Arman
    her father married a Ulrich ..........but I cannot see a connection


    did you receive any updates?
    Are the Miotto and Ulrich individuals CTS8862+?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFundora View Post
    Are the Miotto and Ulrich individuals CTS8862+?
    yes , but two different families
    I have no idea where Ulrich originated from...................do not forget, we also have a Brennan with CTS8862


    In regards to Levi lee in above posts, I spoke to an ancestor and he stated the father of Levi was, Charles Lee a brickmaker

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    @KF

    with the new Ftdna parameters, you are 1 GD from me

    I do have another GD of zero ( 3rd cousin? ...........more like 9th ) named Hintz form Padua province

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    yes , but two different families
    I have no idea where Ulrich originated from...................do not forget, we also have a Brennan with CTS8862


    In regards to Levi lee in above posts, I spoke to an ancestor and he stated the father of Levi was, Charles Lee a brickmaker
    Does FTDNA provide the origins of Miotto and Ulrich?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    @KF

    with the new Ftdna parameters, you are 1 GD from me

    I do have another GD of zero ( 3rd cousin? ...........more like 9th ) named Hintz form Padua province
    Yes I saw but I do not understand the new update. It removed a lot of my previous matches, including my only match at 37 markers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFundora View Post
    Does FTDNA provide the origins of Miotto and Ulrich?
    miotto is in Veneto Italy

    Ulrich is in south Germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFundora View Post
    Yes I saw but I do not understand the new update. It removed a lot of my previous matches, including my only match at 37 markers...
    Considering we where over 1000 years apart, the new system seems to make sense.

    Yfull has a new person under out CTS8862 ...from Sardinia

    I do have Tim Brennan as my main person............he is Portuguese?!?!?

    try the SNP map in ftdna with CTS8862.........there is a pole person included

    I have 2 new FF matches with surname BETZING

    and also only ONE highlightted surname .........CEMIN from Trentino ............what does the Highlighted indicate?

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    Wow cool, a Sardinian CTS8862+

    So Brennan is listed as Portugal in origin? Guessing Brennan is mother's or an altered version of an earlier surname

    Also, I have no clue what the highlighted surname means...

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