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    @Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

    The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
    any thoughts?


    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

    The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
    any thoughts?


    Is RO romanian ?

    I already submitted a paper which states Messapic was an east balkan language ............we need to find out who the Iapgians are as Measspic are Iapgian people of Italy
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Yes it is. .....
    The Iapygians lived in Puglia, and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The hierarchy in letters of the SNPs maybe is changing because NEW Z19859 is above L131.

    M70 - T1a
    —L162 - T1a1
    -—Z19859 - T..???
    -——L131 - was/is T1a2???
    ———L1255 -was/is T1a3???
    I was given
    .
    T - M184
    T1 - L206
    T1a - M70
    T1a1 - Z19859
    T1a1b - L131 ..........old T1a2
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    The T1a1a branch is L162
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    T1a3 is to become T1a2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

    The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
    any thoughts?


    what is this run from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    what is this run from?
    EU 13 DnaPortal, nMonte3 Oracle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    EU 13 DnaPortal, nMonte3 Oracle.
    thanks.....completely forgot about this site
    .
    .
    Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
    Population Distance
    North_Italian 0.6536449
    Tuscan 1.0947434
    Romanian 1.1815506
    Portuguese 1.2324841
    Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
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    Population Value
    North_Italian 46.6
    Tuscan 10.6
    RO 5.6
    French_Basque 3.8
    Sardinian 3.6
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    I presume they got the galician from french Basque

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    Could it be that RO is the common connection to Illyria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Could it be that RO is the common connection to Illyria?
    linguistically , yes

    romanian = dacians ...............before changing to Latin language, their language was a mix of thracian and illyrian coming from the proto- celtic-italic-illyrian-dacian-thracian group ( I have already placed some info about this a few months ago )

    try searching .....what did the dacians speak before Latin

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    another who is Z19945

    Wilhelm Wolff,
    Birthdate: November 21, 1627
    Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

    his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

    ................................................
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    in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    another who is Z19945

    Wilhelm Wolff,
    Birthdate: November 21, 1627
    Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

    his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

    ................................................
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    in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results
    You just reminded me to check my FTDNA and after a year I've finally found my first 37 marker match! Eek - not the same surname... I think that's normal for Ashkenazim right? From 23andme I at least know both my bio parents are who they say they are, but maybe that isn't the case further down the male line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    You just reminded me to check my FTDNA and after a year I've finally found my first 37 marker match! Eek - not the same surname... I think that's normal for Ashkenazim right? From 23andme I at least know both my bio parents are who they say they are, but maybe that isn't the case further down the male line?
    Are you y T?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Are you y T?
    Nah, but I just posted in this thread anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Nah, but I just posted in this thread anyway
    I see. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    another who is Z19945

    Wilhelm Wolff,
    Birthdate: November 21, 1627
    Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

    his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

    ................................................
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    in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results
    Great to see more Z19945 individuals are being identified. Is Wolf in the Y-DNA T group results page? I do not see him among us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    Great to see more Z19945 individuals are being identified. Is Wolf in the Y-DNA T group results page? I do not see him among us...
    he is kit B239544
    they have not ungraded the T project yet

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    ...........................
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    I will post names of 3 more Z19945 in the following week , all east-german, czech, pole ...............they are not part of the T project

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    None of these matches are labeled T-Z19945.

    They vary from T-M70 to T-CTS8862.

    I guess the resemblance goes back thousands of years.

    (Got a message saying they're updating the Haplogroups at FTDNA, soon).


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    SNP Tracker:
    from Y Adam to T-Z19945





    http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    SNP Tracker:
    from Y Adam to T-Z19945





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    other Z19945 placement .....................between your and below could be the true spot
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    other Z19945 placement .....................between your and below could be the true spot
    Halfway between the two maps: the True Spot ???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    I already submitted a paper which states Messapic was an east balkan language ............we need to find out who the Iapgians are as Measspic are Iapgian people of Italy
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The Iapygians lived in Puglia, and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.
    @Sile The Iapygians-Illyrians connection, probably :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Sile The Iapygians-Illyrians connection, probably :)

    The Iapydes (or Iapodes, Japodes) [Greek,"Ιάποδες"] were an ancient people who dwelt north of and inland from the Liburnians, off the Adriatic coast and eastwards of the Istrian peninsula. The first written mention of an Illyrian tribe known as "Iapydes" is by Hecataeus of Miletus.
    .
    Messapic

    These tribes (Iapygian or Messapic tribes) did not dwell in Illyria, but in the heel of southern Italy. They could have had Illyrian origins[143] or some sort of link with Illyria.

    Messapii
    Dauni
    Peucetii linked to the Liburnian Peucetias
    Iapyges linked to the Iapodes, who were sometimes also called Iapyges
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    Are these messapic Iapyges the ones that came from near the Liburnians....the Iapodes ??

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    SZ36 (T1a1...) and CL23 (T1a2 L446) according to MyTrueAncestry:

    SZ36 is my Top Archaeogenetic match in 2 of my Kits.

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    1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.64)

    Modern Group
    1. Tuscan (2.937)
    2. North_Italian (8.213)
    3. West_Sicilian (8.444)
    4. Kosovan (8.963)
    5. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
    6. Greek (9.454)
    7. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)
    8. East_Sicilian (12.06)


    CL23

    Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.26)



    Modern Group
    1. North_Italian (10.06)
    2. Spanish_Andalucia (10.28)
    3. Spanish_Valencia (11.60)
    4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.71)
    5. Spanish_Extremadura (11.72)
    6. Spanish_Murcia (11.87)
    7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.57)
    8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.89)



    My K36 Ancient results:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    SZ36 (T1a1...) and CL23 (T1a2 L446) according to MyTrueAncestry:

    SZ36 is my Top Archaeogenetic match in 2 of my Kits.

    SZ36

    1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.64)

    Modern Group
    1. Tuscan (2.937)
    2. North_Italian (8.213)
    3. West_Sicilian (8.444)
    4. Kosovan (8.963)
    5. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
    6. Greek (9.454)
    7. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)
    8. East_Sicilian (12.06)


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    Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.26)



    Modern Group
    1. North_Italian (10.06)
    2. Spanish_Andalucia (10.28)
    3. Spanish_Valencia (11.60)
    4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.71)
    5. Spanish_Extremadura (11.72)
    6. Spanish_Murcia (11.87)
    7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.57)
    8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.89)



    My K36 Ancient results:

    mine

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance

    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 1.197928
    CL36_north-Italian 1.237396
    CL57_north-Italian 1.330768
    SZ28_north-Italian 1.438457
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.541763
    CL63_Alpine 1.577491
    SZ37_Greek-Italian 1.615911
    BA_Hungary_BR2 1.63093


    how different are we and we are both T1a2 ..................clearly our T has been in Europe a very very long time

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