Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

[Salento]

@Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
any thoughts?

[Sile]

@Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
any thoughts?

Is RO romanian ?

I already submitted a paper which states Messapic was an east balkan language ............we need to find out who the Iapgians are as Measspic are Iapgian people of Italy

[Salento]

Yes it is. .....
The Iapygians lived in Puglia, and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.

[Sile]

The hierarchy in letters of the SNPs maybe is changing because NEW Z19859 is above L131.

M70 - T1a
—L162 - T1a1
-—Z19859 - T..???
-——L131 - was/is T1a2???
———L1255 -was/is T1a3???

I was given
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T - M184
T1 - L206
T1a - M70
T1a1 - Z19859
T1a1b - L131 ..........old T1a2
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The T1a1a branch is L162
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T1a3 is to become T1a2

[Sile]

@Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
any thoughts?

what is this run from?

[Salento]

what is this run from?

EU 13 DnaPortal, nMonte3 Oracle.

[Sile]

EU 13 DnaPortal, nMonte3 Oracle.

thanks.....completely forgot about this site
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Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.6536449
Tuscan 1.0947434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
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Population Value
North_Italian 46.6
Tuscan 10.6
RO 5.6
French_Basque 3.8
Sardinian 3.6
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I presume they got the galician from french Basque

[Salento]

Could it be that RO is the common connection to Illyria?

[Sile]

Could it be that RO is the common connection to Illyria?

linguistically , yes

romanian = dacians ...............before changing to Latin language, their language was a mix of thracian and illyrian coming from the proto- celtic-italic-illyrian-dacian-thracian group ( I have already placed some info about this a few months ago )

try searching .....what did the dacians speak before Latin

[Sile]

another who is Z19945

Wilhelm Wolff,
Birthdate: November 21, 1627
Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

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in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results

[ToBeOrNotToBe]

another who is Z19945

Wilhelm Wolff,
Birthdate: November 21, 1627
Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

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in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results

You just reminded me to check my FTDNA and after a year I've finally found my first 37 marker match! Eek - not the same surname... I think that's normal for Ashkenazim right? From 23andme I at least know both my bio parents are who they say they are, but maybe that isn't the case further down the male line?

[Salento]

You just reminded me to check my FTDNA and after a year I've finally found my first 37 marker match! Eek - not the same surname... I think that's normal for Ashkenazim right? From 23andme I at least know both my bio parents are who they say they are, but maybe that isn't the case further down the male line?

Are you y T?

[ToBeOrNotToBe]

Are you y T?

Nah, but I just posted in this thread anyway

[Salento]

Nah, but I just posted in this thread anyway

I see. LOL

[Huracan]

another who is Z19945

Wilhelm Wolff,
Birthdate: November 21, 1627
Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

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in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results

Great to see more Z19945 individuals are being identified. Is Wolf in the Y-DNA T group results page? I do not see him among us...

[Sile]

Great to see more Z19945 individuals are being identified. Is Wolf in the Y-DNA T group results page? I do not see him among us...

he is kit B239544
they have not ungraded the T project yet

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I will post names of 3 more Z19945 in the following week , all east-german, czech, pole ...............they are not part of the T project

[Salento]

Recent Ancestors V2 (Admixture Studio)

[Salento]

Y-DNA Ancestral Origins by Country

None of these matches are labeled T-Z19945.

They vary from T-M70 to T-CTS8862.

I guess the resemblance goes back thousands of years.

(Got a message saying they're updating the Haplogroups at FTDNA, soon).

[Salento]

SNP Tracker:
from Y Adam to T-Z19945





http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

[zanipolo]

SNP Tracker:
from Y Adam to T-Z19945





http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

other Z19945 placement .....................between your and below could be the true spot

[Salento]

other Z19945 placement .....................between your and below could be the true spot

Halfway between the two maps: the True Spot ???

[Salento]

I already submitted a paper which states Messapic was an east balkan language ............we need to find out who the Iapgians are as Measspic are Iapgian people of Italy

The Iapygians lived in Puglia, and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.

@Sile The Iapygians-Illyrians connection, probably :)

[zanipolo]

@Sile The Iapygians-Illyrians connection, probably :)

The Iapydes (or Iapodes, Japodes) [Greek,"Ιάποδες"] were an ancient people who dwelt north of and inland from the Liburnians, off the Adriatic coast and eastwards of the Istrian peninsula. The first written mention of an Illyrian tribe known as "Iapydes" is by Hecataeus of Miletus.
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Messapic

These tribes (Iapygian or Messapic tribes) did not dwell in Illyria, but in the heel of southern Italy. They could have had Illyrian origins[143] or some sort of link with Illyria.

Messapii
Dauni
Peucetii linked to the Liburnian Peucetias
Iapyges linked to the Iapodes, who were sometimes also called Iapyges
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Are these messapic Iapyges the ones that came from near the Liburnians....the Iapodes ??

[Salento]

SZ36 (T1a1...) and CL23 (T1a2 L446) according to MyTrueAncestry:

SZ36 is my Top Archaeogenetic match in 2 of my Kits.

SZ36
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.64)

Modern Group
1. Tuscan (2.937)
2. North_Italian (8.213)
3. West_Sicilian (8.444)
4. Kosovan (8.963)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
6. Greek (9.454)
7. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)
8. East_Sicilian (12.06)


CL23
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.26)



Modern Group
1. North_Italian (10.06)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (10.28)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.60)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.71)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (11.72)
6. Spanish_Murcia (11.87)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.57)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.89)



My K36 Ancient results:

[torzio]

SZ36 (T1a1...) and CL23 (T1a2 L446) according to MyTrueAncestry:

SZ36 is my Top Archaeogenetic match in 2 of my Kits.

SZ36
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.64)

Modern Group
1. Tuscan (2.937)
2. North_Italian (8.213)
3. West_Sicilian (8.444)
4. Kosovan (8.963)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
6. Greek (9.454)
7. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)
8. East_Sicilian (12.06)


CL23
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.26)



Modern Group
1. North_Italian (10.06)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (10.28)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.60)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.71)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (11.72)
6. Spanish_Murcia (11.87)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.57)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.89)



My K36 Ancient results:

mine

Closest population distances

Population Distance

EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 1.197928
CL36_north-Italian 1.237396
CL57_north-Italian 1.330768
SZ28_north-Italian 1.438457
SZ43_north-Italian 1.541763
CL63_Alpine 1.577491
SZ37_Greek-Italian 1.615911
BA_Hungary_BR2 1.63093


how different are we and we are both T1a2 ..................clearly our T has been in Europe a very very long time