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@Sile nMonte3 EU 13...
The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
any thoughts?
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có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo
when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.
Yes it is. .....
The Iapygians lived in Puglia, and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.
thanks.....completely forgot about this site
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Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.6536449
Tuscan 1.0947434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
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Population Value
North_Italian 46.6
Tuscan 10.6
RO 5.6
French_Basque 3.8
Sardinian 3.6
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I presume they got the galician from french Basque
Could it be that RO is the common connection to Illyria?
linguistically , yes
romanian = dacians ...............before changing to Latin language, their language was a mix of thracian and illyrian coming from the proto- celtic-italic-illyrian-dacian-thracian group ( I have already placed some info about this a few months ago )
try searching .....what did the dacians speak before Latin
another who is Z19945
Wilhelm Wolff,
Birthdate: November 21, 1627
Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany
his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna
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in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results
You just reminded me to check my FTDNA and after a year I've finally found my first 37 marker match! Eek - not the same surname... I think that's normal for Ashkenazim right? From 23andme I at least know both my bio parents are who they say they are, but maybe that isn't the case further down the male line?
Recent Ancestors V2 (Admixture Studio)
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Y-DNA Ancestral Origins by Country
None of these matches are labeled T-Z19945.
They vary from T-M70 to T-CTS8862.
I guess the resemblance goes back thousands of years.
(Got a message saying they're updating the Haplogroups at FTDNA, soon).
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SNP Tracker:
from Y Adam to T-Z19945
http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html
The Iapydes (or Iapodes, Japodes) [Greek,"Ιάποδες"] were an ancient people who dwelt north of and inland from the Liburnians, off the Adriatic coast and eastwards of the Istrian peninsula. The first written mention of an Illyrian tribe known as "Iapydes" is by Hecataeus of Miletus.
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Messapic
These tribes (Iapygian or Messapic tribes) did not dwell in Illyria, but in the heel of southern Italy. They could have had Illyrian origins[143] or some sort of link with Illyria.
Messapii
Dauni
Peucetii linked to the Liburnian Peucetias
Iapyges linked to the Iapodes, who were sometimes also called Iapyges
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Are these messapic Iapyges the ones that came from near the Liburnians....the Iapodes ??
SZ36 (T1a1...) and CL23 (T1a2 L446) according to MyTrueAncestry:
SZ36 is my Top Archaeogenetic match in 2 of my Kits.
SZ36
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.64)
Modern Group
1. Tuscan (2.937)
2. North_Italian (8.213)
3. West_Sicilian (8.444)
4. Kosovan (8.963)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
6. Greek (9.454)
7. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)
8. East_Sicilian (12.06)
CL23
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.26)
Modern Group
1. North_Italian (10.06)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (10.28)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.60)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.71)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (11.72)
6. Spanish_Murcia (11.87)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.57)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.89)
My K36 Ancient results:
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mine
Closest population distances
Population Distance
EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 1.197928
CL36_north-Italian 1.237396
CL57_north-Italian 1.330768
SZ28_north-Italian 1.438457
SZ43_north-Italian 1.541763
CL63_Alpine 1.577491
SZ37_Greek-Italian 1.615911
BA_Hungary_BR2 1.63093
how different are we and we are both T1a2 ..................clearly our T has been in Europe a very very long time