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    a curiousity

    Yfull has this for snp Z19945

    T-Z19945Z19945formed 3100 ybp, TMRCA 3100 ybp





    so, 3100- ybp 1950 = 1150BCE .............this is the exact year that Venetic speaking people where known in Eastern alps ( as per studies by Elisa Perego , oxford univ )

    https://journals.openedition.org/mefra/2503



    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...e_Veneto_Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    mine

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance

    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 1.197928
    CL36_north-Italian 1.237396
    CL57_north-Italian 1.330768
    SZ28_north-Italian 1.438457
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.541763
    CL63_Alpine 1.577491
    SZ37_Greek-Italian 1.615911
    BA_Hungary_BR2 1.63093


    how different are we and we are both T1a2 ..................clearly our T has been in Europe a very very long time
    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    a curiousity

    Yfull has this for snp Z19945

    T-Z19945Z19945formed 3100 ybp, TMRCA 3100 ybp

    so, 3100- ybp 1950 = 1150BCE .............this is the exact year that Venetic speaking people where known in Eastern alps ( as per studies by Elisa Perego , oxford univ )

    https://journals.openedition.org/mefra/2503

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...e_Veneto_Italy

    It’s possible that Z19945 developed in E.Alps, or it could also be Salento.

    I don’t see why not, it’s all conjecture and coincidence.

    That’s more than 3100 yeas ago.

    You looked for differences, I looked for similarities instead.

    You match some of my Ancient Samples too.

    My K36 Ancient:

    CL25_south_Italian 1.325678
    SZ40_Italian 1.332341
    CL31_Greek_Balkan 1.55981
    SZ36_north-Italian 1.56524
    EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1 1.579821
    SZ19_Italian-Balkan 1.634897
    CL36_north-Italian 1.655377
    SZ37_Greek-Italian 1.671724






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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    The Iapydes (or Iapodes, Japodes) [Greek,"Ιάποδες"] were an ancient people who dwelt north of and inland from the Liburnians, off the Adriatic coast and eastwards of the Istrian peninsula. The first written mention of an Illyrian tribe known as "Iapydes" is by Hecataeus of Miletus.
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    Messapic

    These tribes (Iapygian or Messapic tribes) did not dwell in Illyria, but in the heel of southern Italy. They could have had Illyrian origins[143] or some sort of link with Illyria.

    Messapii
    Dauni
    Peucetii linked to the Liburnian Peucetias
    Iapyges linked to the Iapodes, who were sometimes also called Iapyges
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    .
    Are these messapic Iapyges the ones that came from near the Liburnians....the Iapodes ??

    Whomever wrote that Iapygians or Messapi didn’t “dwell” in Illyria, needs to see this:









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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It’s possible that Z19945 developed in E.Alps, or it could also be Salento.
    I don’t see why not, it’s all conjecture and coincidence.
    That’s more than 3100 yeas ago.
    You looked for differences, I looked for similarities instead.
    You match some of my Ancient Samples too.

    My K36 Ancient:

    CL25_south_Italian 1.325678
    SZ40_Italian 1.332341
    CL31_Greek_Balkan 1.55981
    SZ36_north-Italian 1.56524
    EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1 1.579821
    SZ19_Italian-Balkan 1.634897
    CL36_north-Italian 1.655377
    SZ37_Greek-Italian 1.671724





    Iapydes/Iapygians/Illyrians could be the source of Z19945
    One group went to south italy and the other to eastern alps

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Iapodes/Illyrians could be the source of Z19945
    One group went to south italy and the other to eastern alps
    It’s possible, maybe 2 bros had a fight and said: “that’s it, I go South and you go North, ... and don’t follow me!” LOL :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It’s possible, maybe 2 bros had a fight and said: “that’s it, I go South and you go North, ... and don’t follow me!” LOL :)
    References at bottom in wiki thread
    Iapygian-tarentni wars are interesting

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    Y-haplogroups and your closest match on Mytrueancestry.com may not be exactly equivalent; my haplogroup is R1a and my closest match is Bell Beaker Scotland, 2150 BC. If they ever found R1a in Bell Beaker...Carlos Quiles would have a stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    References at bottom in wiki thread
    Iapygian-tarentni wars are interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygian-Tarentine_Wars

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    Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

    ... and that makes two Colonial Era T-Z19945 in CT (Brooks and Curtiss).

    I’m the first newcomer to the US from my family, so there can’t be any recent connection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Another T1a2-z19945 match in ftdna
    John Brooks .......check link for the john with 3g in his name
    https://www.tributaries.info/ui49.htm#a2
    his father John 1g ..........is from Windsor, Connecticut.......the same place as the family named Drake from Windsor, Connecticut. They where also haplogroup T
    Last edited by Salento; 29-06-19 at 01:42.

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    imo it’s time to decently re-test the Thomas Jefferson relatives, bet you they’ve got more subclades!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    imo it’s time to decently re-test the Thomas Jefferson relatives, bet you they’ve got more subclades!
    they have , but family will not allow more testing .............or even living family members

    my guess is he is from modern wales and before that iberia and before that coastal egypt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... and that makes two Colonial Era T-Z19945 in CT (Brooks and Curtiss).

    I’m the first newcomer to the US from my family, so there can’t be any recent connection.
    all the T in the ftdna link i presented are Z19945

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    all the T in the ftdna link i presented are Z19945

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    I think that there are many more T-Z19945 in CT.

    In a store in the Town of the Brooks, an old Man was following me around, and then with tears in his eyes said that I looked exactly like his (dead) Father, ...... anyway, all he Knows is that he’s a multi-generational local, and he’s an Anglo-German-Swiss mix, I told him that I’m Italian.

    At first I thought he was a “confused” old man, (I look S.Eur.) ... who knows.

    It doesn’t prove anything, but’s he’s not the only person that told me that I look familiar in that Town.

    ... that said, People often say that I look familiar to them.

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    more closer in regards to the age in the placing of T-Z19945

    Last edited by torzio; 11-07-19 at 07:23.

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    In the new viking paper there is one T1a2 with mtdna of H1b1
    Origin from Hemse , south gotland island, origin...found in skara , western sweden
    Skara was founded by Geats, also referred as Goths
    ................
    Other T is Other branch....T1a1a with mtdna U5a2a1b found Ladoga near Leningrad Russia
    Last edited by torzio; 18-07-19 at 19:41.

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    Geats where referred as Goutai by Ptolemy, while Jordanes called them Ostrogoths

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Geats where referred as Goutai by Ptolemy, while Jordanes called them Ostrogoths
    According to table S6, VK398 was more than 1/3 italian-like. Couldn't this mean something? Italian ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HYGILI4K View Post

    thanks........sample VK398 .......... T1a2 ydna

    nearly 39% "italian"
    33% danish
    13% british



    below sample VK17 ............T1a1 yda

    48% finnish
    41% swedish

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    In the new viking paper there is one T1a2 with mtdna of H1b1
    Origin from Hemse , south gotland island, origin...found in skara , western sweden
    Skara was founded by Geats, also referred as Goths
    ................
    Other T is Other branch....T1a1a with mtdna U5a2a1b found Ladoga near Leningrad Russia
    About the T1a1a Viking with mtDNA of U5a2a1b.

    Surprisingly I know people from the Benevento province (Campania, Italy) with the same mtDNA.



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    2 more T-L446 in 23andme ...................both noted as 3rd to 5th cousins from myself and father

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    Riggi from Belluno

    Lehnus from Gorizia


    2 others noted as T-L446 one is very old ........none related to me , so far

    Erspamer b. 1701 from Malosco Trentino


    Ulrich Blarer b.1190 from Saint Gallen Switzerland .......T-CTS11984

    >>>>>>>>.................................

    to finish off

    Zuanne De Zen b.about 1500 from Porcia Pordenone Friuli ..................3rd to 5th cousin

    Di Cori ......T-CTS8862 from Artena in Lazio Province .....................not related

    Sebok and Murrin .......T-CTS6507 from Regensberg Germany ....................Sebok is related, Murrin is not



    This relationship to me is based on 23andme ,, I do not know how accurate they are



    Last edited by torzio; 26-07-19 at 02:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    2 more T-L446 in 23andme ...................both noted as 3rd to 5th cousins from myself and father

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    Riggi from Belluno

    Lehnus from Gorizia


    2 others noted as T-L446 one is very old ........none related to me , so far

    Erspamer b. 1701 from Malosco Trentino


    Ulrich Blarer b.1190 from Saint Gallen Switzerland .......T-CTS11984

    >>>>>>>>.................................

    to finish off

    Zuanne De Zen b.about 1500 from Porcia Pordenone Friuli ..................3rd to 5th cousin

    Di Cori ......T-CTS8862 from Artena in Lazio Province .....................not related

    Sebok and Murrin .......T-CTS6507 from Regensberg Germany ....................Sebok is related, Murrin is not



    This relationship to me is based on 23andme ,, I do not know how accurate they are



    On 23andme, can you query your matches by Haplogroup?

    (I deleted my 23 .... long ago)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    On 23andme, can you query your matches by Haplogroup?

    (I deleted my 23 .... long ago)

    yes it downloads an excel sheet.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    On 23andme, can you query your matches by Haplogroup?

    (I deleted my 23 .... long ago)
    Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Haplotree


    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...k2/dna-results

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