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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelley Caquelin View Post
    My Y-DNA is T-CTS1848 and I am new to the DNA results so bare with me.
    You should contact Gareth from the T project.....he will help you
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Interesting that in the ftdna T project, ..Gamma-1.1-B pages00113 has z19945 as positive
    Most on this list seem eastern europeans


    Btw, i am negative for pages00113

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Interesting that in the ftdna T project, ..Gamma-1.1-B pages00113 has z19945 as positive
    Most on this list seem eastern europeans


    Btw, i am negative for pages00113
    Many are Ashkenazy.

    I’m also negative for pages00113.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Many are Ashkenazy.

    I’m also negative for pages00113.
    It means that z19945 is the father of pages00113 and not its equal

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    @salento
    Messapic expanded with Bell Beakers migrating through the Italian Peninsula, or rather southward through the eastern Adriatic coast. Based on the connections of the Cetina culture with Bell Beakers from the Italian Peninsula, and the potential nature of Messapian as a North-West Indo-European dialect, it seems more likely that Proto-Messapic speakers expanded first southward from the Alps into mainland areas east of the Appennines, and were later replaced and displaced to the south-eastern corner with migrations of Italic peoples. Two individuals from Early/Middle Bronze Age from Veliki Vanik in Split-Dalmatia (ca. 1630–1510 BC) include one of hg. J2b2a-M241 (formed ca. 118000 BC, TMRCA ca 7800 BC), probably corresponding to subclade J2b2a1-L283 (TMRCA ca. 3400 BC), since basal clades are found today in modern populations of southern Italy and Anatolia. These and a later sample of the Late Bronze Age from the Jazinka Cave, near Nečven (ca. 780 BC) show similar ancestry to other available Balkan samples, but with increased Steppe ancestry (ca. 35%), and slightly less WHG (although similar EHG) contribution compared to other Early Bronze Age individuals from the Balkans. Interestingly, this haplogroup, which probably arrived in the Balkans from a westward expansion through Anatolia during the Chalcolithic or Neolithic, is found later in Armenia MLBA in an individual with Steppe ancestry (see §viii.14. Caucasians and Armenians). The finding of haplogroup J-M304 among Mycenaeans (see §viii.12. Greeks and Phand Philistines) further suggests a relative infiltration rather than a massive migration of Yamna male lineages in the southern Balkans, probably due in great part to the higher demographic density of south-eastern Europe (Müller and Diachenko 2019).
    In the south-east, Messapic-speaking Iapyginians from Botromagno (ca. 7th–4 th c. BC) show mainly mtDNA subclades H and U, while the later Romans from nearby Vagnari (ca. AD 1st-4th c.) Show other markers
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    @Torzio is that your new Hypothesis / Educated guess? or did you read it somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio is that your new Hypothesis / Educated guess? or did you read it somewhere?
    From other site.....info for you.....i always said the messapic came from east of the liburnians this states further north......it says the massapic marched down the coast,

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    From other site.....info for you.....i always said the messapic came from east of the liburnians this states further north......it says the massapic marched down the coast,
    They didn't mention the Illyrians,

    ... with all the implications of being an Illyrians means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    They didn't mention the Illyrians,

    ... with all the implications of being an Illyrians means.
    Since tge daunians are the biggest group of messapics, i suggest u look into the daunian peninsula history near foggia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    They didn't mention the Illyrians,

    ... with all the implications of being an Illyrians means.
    only northern Illyrians tattooed , learning from their northern neighbours, the celts

    interesting "messapic" daunians

    https://www.academia.edu/984109/The_Tribal_Tattooing_of_Daunian_Women


    and

    https://www.academia.edu/33341054/Il...s_and_a_helmet

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    only northern Illyrians tattooed , learning from their northern neighbours, the celts
    interesting "messapic" daunians
    https://www.academia.edu/984109/The_Tribal_Tattooing_of_Daunian_Women
    and
    https://www.academia.edu/33341054/Il...s_and_a_helmet
    you should see my Messapic ink ... lol

    MTA y-DNA T summary:


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    Protovillanovian and Illirians (Messapi?) - Bronze Age:


    y T Rome Latin Tribe Ardea -Iron Age:

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    only northern Illyrians tattooed , learning from their northern neighbours, the celts

    interesting "messapic" daunians

    https://www.academia.edu/984109/The_Tribal_Tattooing_of_Daunian_Women


    and

    https://www.academia.edu/33341054/Il...s_and_a_helmet

    The Daunians , messapic and others come from Iapodes ...............it is just a spit over the adriatic "pond"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburn...nia_5th_BC.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... and that makes two Colonial Era T-Z19945 in CT (Brooks and Curtiss).

    I’m the first newcomer to the US from my family, so there can’t be any recent connection.
    Yfull first match with me on same group



    I went as far back as I could and the original surname was Brucke from Hanover Germany

    they are related to the Curtiss T ydna line from Cornwall who originated from
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    Last edited by torzio; 07-12-19 at 02:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Yfull first match with me on same group



    I went as far back as I could and the original surname was brucke from Hanover Germany

    they are related to the Curtiss T ydna line from Cornwall who originated from
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    Colonial T-Z19945? (Daniel Curtiss, Connecticut 1652)

    Stratford was founded by Puritans in 1639.

    (I can get there in about 1 hour)

    ... from my side, any relation to him is obviously Ancient, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Colonial T-Z19945? (Daniel Curtiss, Connecticut 1652)

    Stratford was founded by Puritans in 1639.

    (I can get there in about 1 hour)

    ... from my side, any relation to him is obviously Ancient, I think.
    Both Curtiss and Brooks ( born 1640 )are from Stratford Connecticut..................originally cornish UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Colonial T-Z19945? (Daniel Curtiss, Connecticut 1652)

    Stratford was founded by Puritans in 1639.

    (I can get there in about 1 hour)

    ... from my side, any relation to him is obviously Ancient, I think.
    the current T tree from yfull for our line ........................note YF67318 is Belgium and other BEL is his brother...............and ERS256892 is the trentino sample which has Z19945 , strange as it makes Z19945 older by 600 years ..............I still have no answer from yfull on this matter




    age of snp Z19945 is still 3410ybp ( -1950 = 1560BC ) ....................I foresee due to our differences the split between us occurred between balkan thracian people and up to dacian people


    oldest map I could find is from strabo ......................so east of the Triballi noted tribe on the map ...............you could be part of the "golden man" ...................

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    Unsure how long you have been doing dna research ..............but in the past Ftdna had a side branch called ysearch, this would give you matches in their database, myself and Huracan ( a USA person on this site who is in our Z19945 ftdna group ) matched Frush and Curtiss people , usually in our top 5 people.

    when ysearch ceased a company called Semargyl tested every ftdna ydna person of minimum y37 and gave all positive results only ( sorry for presentation , lost everything when old pc died in July)

    Germany are all Frush members and the Belgium are all Bernot members ...............all have Z19945






    I also have a couple of Erzya -Macedonians matches ...........which are steppe people migrated to Macedonia

    The Mordvins, also Mordva, Mordvinians, Mordovians (Erzya: эрзят/erzät, Moksha: мокшет/mokšet, Russian: мордва/mordva), are a people who speak the Mordvinic languages of the Uralic language family and live mainly in the Republic of Mordovia and other parts of the middle Volga River region of Russia.[3]
    The Mordvins are one of the larger indigenous peoples of Russia. They identify themselves as separate ethnic groups:[3] the Erzya

    Unsure if you get this match ..........they also state themselves as from Kosovo instead of Macedonia

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento
    Unsure how long you have been doing dna research ..............but in the past Ftdna had a side branch called ysearch, this would give you matches in their database, myself and Huracan ( a USA person on this site who is in our Z19945 ftdna group ) matched Frush and Curtiss people , usually in our top 5 people.
    when ysearch ceased a company called Semargyl tested every ftdna ydna person of minimum y37 and gave all positive results only ( sorry for presentation , lost everything when old pc died in July)
    Germany are all Frush members and the Belgium are all Bernot members ...............all have Z19945


    I also have a couple of Erzya -Macedonians matches ...........which are steppe people migrated to Macedonia
    The Mordvins, also Mordva, Mordvinians, Mordovians (Erzya: эрзят/erzät, Moksha: мокшет/mokšet, Russian: мордва/mordva), are a people who speak the Mordvinic languages of the Uralic language family and live mainly in the Republic of Mordovia and other parts of the middle Volga River region of Russia.[3]
    The Mordvins are one of the larger indigenous peoples of Russia. They identify themselves as separate ethnic groups:[3] the Erzya
    Unsure if you get this match ..........they also state themselves as from Kosovo instead of Macedonia
    One of my y Hungary matches “Earliest Known Ancestor” is a Mordechai, maybe based to Mordivins / Mordva

    He also has Cavallo (HORSE in Italian) in his Ancestral surname :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    One of my y Hungary matches “Earliest Known Ancestor” is a Mordechai, maybe based to Mordivins / Mordva

    He also has Cavallo (HORSE in Italian) in his Ancestral surname :)
    I have a few Cavallin surname from morgano veneto in my family tree

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I have a few Cavallin surname from morgano veneto in my family tree
    The Messapic town next to mine is called Cavallino

    Messapic Warrior monument of Cavallino:
    (I just realized that at the bottom of the statue there’s part of my signature in Latin )

    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”



    https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavallino_(Italia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The Messapic town next to mine is called Cavallino

    Messapic Warrior monument of Cavallino:
    (I just realized that at the bottom of the statue there’s part of my signature in Latin )

    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”



    https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavallino_(Italia)

    La distribuzione geografica del cognome Cavallin nella Provincia di Treviso
    66 Montebelluna

    53 Vedelago

    33 Paese

    21 Istrana

    20 Treviso

    12 Morgano


    ......................................

    La distribuzione geografica del cognome Cavallin in Italia



    527 Veneto


    68 Lombardia


    36 Piemonte


    .................................................. .............

    https://www.antenati-italiani.org/it.../6213-cavallin



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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    La distribuzione geografica del cognome Cavallin nella Provincia di Treviso
    66 Montebelluna

    53 Vedelago

    33 Paese

    21 Istrana

    20 Treviso

    12 Morgano


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    La distribuzione geografica del cognome Cavallin in Italia



    527 Veneto


    68 Lombardia


    36 Piemonte


    .................................................. .............

    https://www.antenati-italiani.org/it.../6213-cavallin



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    I have deleted accounts on a few sites, ... who knows what really happened to my raw-data

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