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    Another match arrived today from the Bon family of Volgago del Montello, Veneto
    4 family link so far ....when I get data I will present it

    Paternal side ( ydna )

    Bon family is part of the venetian "nobility" ie, government
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    a 23andme match with myself....unsure how accurate 23andme is

    surname - Lehnus

    3 households in Lombardy and 2 in Friuli ( gorizia town )

    ydna - T-L446
    mtdna - X2b4

    4th cousin

    .........................

    Lehnus matches the Bernot line of Walloon Belgium , whose ancestors are also from gorizia Friuli


    The wife of the above matches me in Ftdna ................but the husband is T-L446 ...which is my line
    how much creedence can we give that one of the sons found his way into my line ?

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    This person is T1a2-L446 norway

    Anders Hestenes, born 1490,Hyen,Gloppen,SFJ Norway

    I match a " 3rd-4th cousin" with 2 segments and 14cm with a norwegian family called Onstad ....................apparently linked with Hestenes .....................I doubt it as i can follow my paternal line for over 500 years with written records.....but , I will check further

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    It means that z19945 is the father of pages00113 and not its equal
    I too saw that FTDNA T Group results now have PAGES00113 as CTS8862+ Z19945+. In fact, when I checked my FTDNA results the haplotree now shows PAGES00113 as below CTS8862/CTS1848. Attaching a screenshot of what I found here.

    Screen Shot 2020-01-05 at 11.00.41 AM.jpg

    As @Salento said, many of this group are Ashkenazi but also includes one Puerto Rican (surname Charriez, which appears to be French in origin). Thought this was interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    I too saw that FTDNA T Group results now have PAGES00113 as CTS8862+ Z19945+. In fact, when I checked my FTDNA results the haplotree now shows PAGES00113 as below CTS8862/CTS1848. Attaching a screenshot of what I found here.

    Screen Shot 2020-01-05 at 11.00.41 AM.jpg

    As @Salento said, many of this group are Ashkenazi but also includes one Puerto Rican (surname Charriez, which appears to be French in origin). Thought this was interesting.
    I think the change is due to my conversation with the owner of the brooks line .......who states the curtiss line is related to the brooks line ( about 125 years ago ) and the curtiss is related to the Frush/Freshour line

    Kit MK5443 is a "multikit" from the Frush/brooks family and they now sit with us on the ftdna T group ...........they have been changed from Z19945 to next level down T-BY64684

    The curtiss and brooks are identical in Y111 str levels and snp level
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Freshour/default.aspx?section=yresults



    Btw ....kit N145191 is the Caquelin line ...........see previous posts as the owner has given a small history on the family


    also.......below are all in ftdna 0 or 1 step from myself



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    Spoke to Gareth yesterday....................he is splitting up the Z19945 group in ftdna

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    I have always had a very close match with a Altenhofen family in ftdna.....i have now found that it is linked with the Lello family from Roana, Vicenza,Veneto...., so a brorher and sister married into the other family......one of these families is the T1a ydna family

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    a confusing T marker

    I am zero distance in ftdna with

    Christian Atherholt (1724 - 1812)





    Christian Atherholt
    Born 1724 in Hanover , Germany
    Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
    [sibling(s) unknown]
    Husband of Anna Marie Hedwig — married [date unknown] [location unknown]

    yet this person is in another link

    with Christopher Kile family in Hanover who is also T .................but he is positive for snp P322 , while the Altherholt line plus my line are negative for snp P322


    >..........................................

    I will chat with a fellow aussie , who is also T1a2 and has snp P322 .................I think his family is either thuringian or silesian ( german )
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    I thought I mentioned the Gei family before..............oh well another contact yesterday .........from N.Gei 78 yo male ......fluent in Italian, Venetian and Austrian



    Gei, Dall'Asta, Elle, Seitz ( a small list from Gei site ) ......................2 of these I have links, Gei in BDM records and Seitz in 3rd cousin 23andme match

    In their tree they have two names which are linked to me......Frassetto and Puppato


    also the Hintz line in the Gei family tree are from Padua province which is related to one of my paternal line that went to Morgano

    All names above come from Belluno and Valle di Cadore areas of the Belluno province of Veneto region

    others from southern Belluno province in town of Fonzaso which are linked to me are the
    Toigo and Cemin families
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    another T match for me ..............unsure it is rated 3rd cousin to distant ( what does that mean ?)

    Vincenzo Abliedinger ....whose original surname was Zocher from Enns Austria .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enns_(.......originally from Maniago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniago

    this sample cross matches many segments matching with this person, myself my father and sister ( but not my son ?)
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    Another T-Z19945 placed with me in yfull.....no idea yet on who it is
    Is it you Salento ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Another T-Z19945 placed with me in yfull.....no idea yet on who it is
    Is it you Salento ?
    I didn’t test with Yfull, so unless they got a hold of my data, I doubt it :)

    ... (Yseq)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I didn’t test with Yfull, so unless they got a hold of my data, I doubt it :)

    ... (Yseq)
    Ok
    Have some details.....unsure how accurate as i await yfull
    Person is polish from 5km south of malbork......old prussia lands.
    I remember in the ysearch days ....my main 2 matches was a brooks (who is z19945 ) and a person named Ahman...from baltic sea , east of gdansk

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Ok
    Have some details.....unsure how accurate as i await yfull
    Person is polish from 5km south of malbork......old prussia lands.

    I remember in the ysearch days ....my main 2 matches was a brooks (who is z19945 ) and a person named Ahman...from baltic sea , east of gdansk
    The Brooks are in Connecticut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The Brooks are in Connecticut.
    Just got confirmation from the pole....it is his sample......he is related on other sires with brooks and curtiss....which must include the freshour and fuser families

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The Brooks are in Connecticut.

    yes and before this from Cornwall England

    and before this from Hanover Germany with original surname of Brucke

    I sent you a private message

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    Could it be that Pandemics caused the demise of y T ?

    maybe we don’t do too well ...

    That’s freaky ... :)

    ... y T ... rare and widespread ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Could it be that Pandemics caused the demise of y T ?

    maybe we don’t do too well ...

    That’s freaky ... :)

    ... y T ... rare and widespread ...
    I think it is to do with slow sperm swimmers as per a snp in the M184 group .............so we produce 3 girls to every 5 children , IIRC from an old report ...........I need to go back to my old files to find the snp

    I got info from 2 people , maciano and another from italy ( forgot his name , but was from near ascoli with marker T1a1a3 (T-PF7443) )
    could be here
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...uctory_success

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I think it is to do with slow sperm swimmers as per a snp in the M184 group .............so we produce 3 girls to every 5 children , IIRC from an old report ...........I need to go back to my old files to find the snp
    I got info from 2 people , maciano and another from italy ( forgot his name , but was from near ascoli with marker T1a1a3 (T-PF7443) )
    could be here
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...uctory_success
    So you're saying that in the World there are more “pseudo y T Women” :) than y T Men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    So you're saying that in the World there are more “pseudo y T Women” :) than y T Men.
    we will never know because all the mtdna would be different

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    we will never know because all the mtdna would be different
    ... hope this help: lol

    most Salentini are excellent swimmers,

    as a matter of fact, in my area, a rite of passage to manhood is swimming to the “Scoglio delle Fontanelle” and back :)
    (been there, done that)

    true !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... hope this help: lol

    most Salentini are excellent swimmers,

    as a matter of fact, in my area, a rite of passage to manhood is swimming to the “Scoglio delle Fontanelle” and back :)
    (been there, done that)

    true !!!
    Only people who do that thing where i live are greeks....once a year , late january

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Only people who do that thing where i live are greeks....once a year , late january
    ... makes sense

    In Australia, Summer is in the Winter months,

    ... makes no sense

    I guess is an ancient tradition, ... I wonder where it started at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... makes sense

    In Australia, Summer is in the Winter months,

    ... makes no sense

    I guess is an ancient tradition, ... I wonder where it started at first.
    I will ask at work...there are a couple of greeks who know where this tradition started .............dates not important....its like the greek easter, changes dates yearly depending on how many full moons have passed after a certain date

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    the new yfull match
    YF71651 new T-Z19945* 10

    I have spoken to the person who owns this ID


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    do you have an update , as sample above is one of these

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