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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    They are 2 steps below us,

    I guess their mutation must have happened after the biblical Exodus, (if true :)
    Yfull does have Pages00113

    my reads for it

    Reads 108
    4 passes ............3 negative and 1 positive
    rated unreliable

    PAGES00113 / PAGE113 G to A
    ChrY position (Hg19): 2713589 (+strand)
    ChrY position (Hg38): 2845548 (+strand)


    they gave me a negative

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    I’m negative for Pages00113 too.

    Ancestral DNA Marker Pedigree

    ... from Homo Erectus to Pages00113

    Tree Level Marker / Branch Name Alternative Names Notes
    1 HomoErectus hg38:21292569-T-G Human and Denisovan diverge from ancestral allele T found in chimpanzees at this position. hg38 Ref is G.
    2 YAdam hg38:2844421-A-G Ancestral allele in chimpanzee is A implying this is probably a human-defining SNP for homo sapiens. hg38 Ref is G.
    3 L1085 2922685-T-C Defining mutation for near-root haplogroup A0-T (aka A0'1'2'3'4). That is to say father of ALL modern Y-DNA lineages except A00. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    4 P305 2842113-A-G rs72625368 Defining mutation for haplogroup ISOGG branch A1. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    5 P108 rs761539052 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch A1b at ISOGG. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral. Also enumerated as hg38:13314368-C-T.
    6 L413 PF1409 V31 rs192939307 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch BT at ISOGG. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    7 M168 PF1416 rs2032595 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch CT. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    8 P143 PF2587 rs4141886 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch CF. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    9 M89 PF2746 rs2032652 Defining mutation for haplogroup F. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    10 F1329 M3658 PF2622 YSC0001299 rs9786482 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch above GHIJK (sic). hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    11 M578 F929 S6397 PF3494 S6378 rs73614810 Mutation at haplogroup branch HIJK. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    12 M523 L15 PF3492 S137 Z4413 rs9786139 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch IJK. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    13 M9 PF5506 rs3900 Defining mutation for haplogroup K. Predecessor of haplogroups T, P, and NO. Arose about 45,000 bce. hg38 has incorrect Ref versus ancestral allele.
    14 L298 P326 rs372687543 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch LT (aka K1) for ISOGG and FTDNA. See also CTS1381 which YFull uses on this branch.
    15 M184 Page34 PAGES00034 rs20320 Defining mutation for haplogroup T (aka K1b) at ISOGG. Arose about 40,000 bce. Britain's DNA labeled this branch: Babylon.
    16 L490 rs2040607
    17 M70 Page46 PAGES00046 PF5662 rs2032672
    18 Z19859 rs957337864
    19 L131 rs2215828
    20 L446 rs765328997
    21 Y6055 FGC22988 Z19905
    22 CTS933 rs774625164
    23 CTS10803 rs779515027
    24 Z19939
    25 CTS11984 rs766932353
    26 CTS3767 rs755157880 YFull shows parent as CTS933 as of 4/11/2019.
    27 CTS8489 rs746154125
    28 CTS8862 rs773515931
    29 Z19945 rs755456818 equiv to CTS8489
    30 FT62750
    31 Page113 T-Page113 PAGES00113 rs72625369

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    Ancestral DNA Marker Pedigree

    ... a little more to the LEFT, and I could have turned into a Chimpanzee

    ... Home Erectus to T-Z19945 (+ FT62750 - BY64684)

    Tree Level Marker / Branch Name Alternative Names Notes
    1 HomoErectus hg38:21292569-T-G Human and Denisovan diverge from ancestral allele T found in chimpanzees at this position. hg38 Ref is G.
    2 YAdam hg38:2844421-A-G Ancestral allele in chimpanzee is A implying this is probably a human-defining SNP for homo sapiens. hg38 Ref is G.
    3 L1085 2922685-T-C Defining mutation for near-root haplogroup A0-T (aka A0'1'2'3'4). That is to say father of ALL modern Y-DNA lineages except A00. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    4 P305 2842113-A-G rs72625368 Defining mutation for haplogroup ISOGG branch A1. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    5 P108 rs761539052 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch A1b at ISOGG. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral. Also enumerated as hg38:13314368-C-T.
    6 L413 PF1409 V31 rs192939307 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch BT at ISOGG. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    7 M168 PF1416 rs2032595 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch CT. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    8 P143 PF2587 rs4141886 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch CF. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    9 M89 PF2746 rs2032652 Defining mutation for haplogroup F. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    10 F1329 M3658 PF2622 YSC0001299 rs9786482 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch above GHIJK (sic). hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    11 M578 F929 S6397 PF3494 S6378 rs73614810 Mutation at haplogroup branch HIJK. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    12 M523 L15 PF3492 S137 Z4413 rs9786139 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch IJK. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    13 M9 PF5506 rs3900 Defining mutation for haplogroup K. Predecessor of haplogroups T, P, and NO. Arose about 45,000 bce. hg38 has incorrect Ref versus ancestral allele.
    14 L298 P326 rs372687543 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch LT (aka K1) for ISOGG and FTDNA. See also CTS1381 which YFull uses on this branch.
    15 M184 Page34 PAGES00034 rs20320 Defining mutation for haplogroup T (aka K1b) at ISOGG. Arose about 40,000 bce. Britain's DNA labeled this branch: Babylon.
    16 L490 rs2040607
    17 M70 Page46 PAGES00046 PF5662 rs2032672
    18 Z19859 rs957337864
    19 L131 rs2215828
    20 L446 rs765328997
    21 Y6055 FGC22988 Z19905
    22 CTS933 rs774625164
    23 CTS10803 rs779515027
    24 Z19939
    25 CTS11984 rs766932353
    26 CTS3767 rs755157880 YFull shows parent as CTS933 as of 4/11/2019.
    27 CTS8489 rs746154125
    28 CTS8862 rs773515931
    29 Z19945 rs755456818 equiv to CTS8489
    30 FT62750
    31 BY64684 T-BY64684

    https://www.genetichomeland.com/welc...me=Y&snp2=&DB=


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Ancestral DNA Marker Pedigree

    ... a little more to the LEFT, and I could have turned into a Chimpanzee

    ... Home Erectus to T-Z19945 (+ FT62750 - BY64684)

    Tree Level Marker / Branch Name Alternative Names Notes
    1 HomoErectus hg38:21292569-T-G Human and Denisovan diverge from ancestral allele T found in chimpanzees at this position. hg38 Ref is G.
    2 YAdam hg38:2844421-A-G Ancestral allele in chimpanzee is A implying this is probably a human-defining SNP for homo sapiens. hg38 Ref is G.
    3 L1085 2922685-T-C Defining mutation for near-root haplogroup A0-T (aka A0'1'2'3'4). That is to say father of ALL modern Y-DNA lineages except A00. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    4 P305 2842113-A-G rs72625368 Defining mutation for haplogroup ISOGG branch A1. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    5 P108 rs761539052 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch A1b at ISOGG. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral. Also enumerated as hg38:13314368-C-T.
    6 L413 PF1409 V31 rs192939307 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch BT at ISOGG. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    7 M168 PF1416 rs2032595 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch CT. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    8 P143 PF2587 rs4141886 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch CF. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    9 M89 PF2746 rs2032652 Defining mutation for haplogroup F. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    10 F1329 M3658 PF2622 YSC0001299 rs9786482 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch above GHIJK (sic). hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    11 M578 F929 S6397 PF3494 S6378 rs73614810 Mutation at haplogroup branch HIJK. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    12 M523 L15 PF3492 S137 Z4413 rs9786139 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch IJK. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value.
    13 M9 PF5506 rs3900 Defining mutation for haplogroup K. Predecessor of haplogroups T, P, and NO. Arose about 45,000 bce. hg38 has incorrect Ref versus ancestral allele.
    14 L298 P326 rs372687543 Defining mutation for haplogroup branch LT (aka K1) for ISOGG and FTDNA. See also CTS1381 which YFull uses on this branch.
    15 M184 Page34 PAGES00034 rs20320 Defining mutation for haplogroup T (aka K1b) at ISOGG. Arose about 40,000 bce. Britain's DNA labeled this branch: Babylon.
    16 L490 rs2040607
    17 M70 Page46 PAGES00046 PF5662 rs2032672
    18 Z19859 rs957337864
    19 L131 rs2215828
    20 L446 rs765328997
    21 Y6055 FGC22988 Z19905
    22 CTS933 rs774625164
    23 CTS10803 rs779515027
    24 Z19939
    25 CTS11984 rs766932353
    26 CTS3767 rs755157880 YFull shows parent as CTS933 as of 4/11/2019.
    27 CTS8489 rs746154125
    28 CTS8862 rs773515931
    29 Z19945 rs755456818 equiv to CTS8489
    30 FT62750
    31 BY64684 T-BY64684

    https://www.genetichomeland.com/welc...me=Y&snp2=&DB=

    I am 100% negative for FT62750 and BY64684..................zero out of 5 stars


    this is the only thing I have after Z19945
    BY143483 level T-Z19945*.....terminal


    and with the polish person we only share
    CTS10538, CTS9984, CTS8862, Z19944, Z19953, BY143483, Z19945, Z19946, PH3117, Y26649, CTS8489, Z19949, Z19951


    and yfull changed my CTS8862 to CTS9984 as my main even though it is equivalent to CTS8862..................this is the snp before Z19945

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    I believe now, that Z19945 is a main central distribution and it existed between modern moldova/upper romania and as far west as the Upper rhine river/upper danube river lands

    cts1848 seems to be only around lower rhine area and west of this and this snp is not the main split snp of our line

    Z19945 did not go into western europe from the sea ............so we can count southern anatolia out of any estimation

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    FT62750 and BY64684 are relatively new,

    no option available for single snp test at FTDNA, and I can’t find them at Yseq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I will ask at work...there are a couple of greeks who know where this tradition started .............dates not important....its like the greek easter, changes dates yearly depending on how many full moons have passed after a certain date
    Generally, the date for Easter is set on the first full moon after both the Spring Equinox and Passover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Generally, the date for Easter is set on the first full moon after both the Spring Equinox and Passover.
    Traditionally (at least in Salento), the day after Easter (Pasquetta) is considered the 1st day of the year when the brave or the crazy :) can go swimming, and to slowly start going to the beach (weather permitting).

    Salento = Sole, Mare, e Vento
    (the Sun, the Sea, and the Wind)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Traditionally (at least in Salento), the day after Easter (Pasquetta) is considered the 1st day of the year when the brave or the crazy :) can go swimming, and to slowly start going to the beach (weather permitting).

    Salento = Sole, Mare, e Vento
    (the Sun, the Sea, and the Wind)
    It can get pretty windy in the Ionian and Adriatic Sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    ¡Ay, caramba!

    These are two different Patrick Walsh's.

    My 2nd great grandfather Patrick Walsh is the one listed on the ftdna t project in the z19945 group.
    I have the following as my top matches in Ftdna after family members ................are you saying you are part of this patrick Walsh or not part





    First 3 are one family on my mothers side
    Lello is paternal from trentino
    Miotto from veneto
    you or not ????????????
    Neuman from trentino
    poe from austria
    Tax .............new and dutch .......no idea or contact
    Hintz from morgan veneto married into a paternal cousin side

    Can we clear this up as I am still unsure ................I also have a patrick Walsh in Yfull near my sample

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    Yfull has just given me a new branch under Z19945
    with a Pole and an ancient trentino/South Tyrol sample
    Because there are 3 different non family samples it has been accepted so it is
    T - BY143483


    Last edited by torzio; 17-03-20 at 06:16.

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    I knew from last year that Z19945 would be a central snp area, where many branches would split off from...............I expect to see more splits/branches from z19945 going forward

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    @Torzio, how do you know Bernot was originally from Gorizia? I thought they were Belgians in the Spanish Netherlands that then went back to Spain with the army after the War of the Spanish Succession...

    @Salento, I saw you had a Bezerra match on FTDNA - does it say where they are from?

    To be complete, here are my Y matches on FTDNA:
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    0 Rodrigues Pereira (might just be Pereira): Horta, Faial, Azores (T-M70)
    -1 Curtiss: Stratford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
    -1 Brooks: Startford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
    -1 Costa: Ilha do Pico, Azores (T-M70)
    -1 Jones (T-M70)
    -1 Curtiss (related to above Curtiss)
    -1 Jones: Charleston, SC (T-M70)
    -1 Pret: Tres, Trentino (T-Z19945)
    25 markers
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    -2 Costa (T-M70)
    -2 Israel (T-M70)
    -2 Frush (3) and Froshour (all T-M70)
    -2 Lemas: Azores (T-M70)
    37 markers
    -4 Rodrigues Pereira (T-M70)

    The closest individuals to me on the FTDNA T group are Rodrigues Pereira and the related (or multiple-tested) Bernot.

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    @Huracan I don’t have a Bezerra in my matches anymore, it’s gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    @Torzio, how do you know Bernot was originally from Gorizia? I thought they were Belgians in the Spanish Netherlands that then went back to Spain with the army after the War of the Spanish Succession...
    @Salento, I saw you had a Bezerra match on FTDNA - does it say where they are from?
    To be complete, here are my Y matches on FTDNA:
    12 markers
    0 Rodrigues Pereira (might just be Pereira): Horta, Faial, Azores (T-M70)
    -1 Curtiss: Stratford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
    -1 Brooks: Startford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
    -1 Costa: Ilha do Pico, Azores (T-M70)
    -1 Jones (T-M70)
    -1 Curtiss (related to above Curtiss)
    -1 Jones: Charleston, SC (T-M70)
    -1 Pret: Tres, Trentino (T-Z19945)
    25 markers
    -1 Rodrigues Pereira (T-M70)
    -2 Costa (T-M70)
    -2 Israel (T-M70)
    -2 Frush (3) and Froshour (all T-M70)
    -2 Lemas: Azores (T-M70)
    37 markers
    -4 Rodrigues Pereira (T-M70)
    The closest individuals to me on the FTDNA T group are Rodrigues Pereira and the related (or multiple-tested) Bernot.
    We shared letters....there are 3 brothers who tested.....anyway.....he said gorizia, they went to spanish netherlands, later where cannon makers for tge spanush netherlands army....and when they lost, some members moved to coastal north spain.......why
    Frush, freshour, curtiss and brooks are all related. ......i have contact with the woman who runs all of them
    Periera name is parry now, from iirc azorres originally.
    I also have 2 x jones matches zero step...
    I am surprised you have no 3 x hill matches, or mozetti.....
    What about italian matches,,,,,,,benedetto and rossi from coastal adriatic sea

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    "Froschauer: A notable surname 1494 Augsburg, Bavaria, Germany
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    Place my DNA in geneanet 6 weeks ago ( a french site which has a lot of italians ) and just received

    3 x ydna matches ...................this is something new from geneanet .............I from my family have only placed my dna in this site

    surname - Bedin from Pederobba in Veneto ..................says 3rd cousin

    surname - Gris from Belluno In Veneto ................says 4th cousin

    surname - Tighe also written as Tighesso from Lueg Austria ...................surname Tighe looks irish to me , town in Austria , but near Belluno in Italy ,........but its 5th cousin , so I will ignore it
    Last edited by torzio; 21-03-20 at 06:00.

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    My ftdna site ydna and BigY , has been changed from T-Z19945 to T-BY143483 ......a branch of Z19945

    other branches under Z19945 are
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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    We shared letters....there are 3 brothers who tested.....anyway.....he said gorizia, they went to spanish netherlands, later where cannon makers for tge spanush netherlands army....and when they lost, some members moved to coastal north spain.......why
    Frush, freshour, curtiss and brooks are all related. ......i have contact with the woman who runs all of them
    Periera name is parry now, from iirc azorres originally.
    I also have 2 x jones matches zero step...
    I am surprised you have no 3 x hill matches, or mozetti.....
    What about italian matches,,,,,,,benedetto and rossi from coastal adriatic sea
    Do you know the original surname of these Bernot individuals whose line is from Gorizia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    Do you know the original surname of these Bernot individuals whose line is from Gorizia?
    I will check later....at home.........but chevk page 2 or 3 of this post
    They are from hainaut belgium and lorraine france.....county of vermandois

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    My ftdna site ydna and BigY , has been changed from T-Z19945 to T-BY143483 ......a branch of Z19945

    other branches under Z19945 are
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    ... ordered the B, not option to get the F, I’m negative for the C :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... ordered the B, not option to get the F, I’m negative for the C :)
    cryptic note.......no idea what you are saying

    Gareth asked Ftdna to add BY143483 to the ftdna and BigY tree a week ago..............so I sit with a Pomeranian Pole and an ancient sardinian found in trentino italy


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    my new yreport ...............the negatives ( once in red ) are no longer shown in the report


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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    @Torzio, how do you know Bernot was originally from Gorizia? I thought they were Belgians in the Spanish Netherlands that then went back to Spain with the army after the War of the Spanish Succession...

    @Salento, I saw you had a Bezerra match on FTDNA - does it say where they are from?

    To be complete, here are my Y matches on FTDNA:
    12 markers
    0 Rodrigues Pereira (might just be Pereira): Horta, Faial, Azores (T-M70)
    -1 Curtiss: Stratford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
    -1 Brooks: Startford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
    -1 Costa: Ilha do Pico, Azores (T-M70)
    -1 Jones (T-M70)
    -1 Curtiss (related to above Curtiss)
    -1 Jones: Charleston, SC (T-M70)
    -1 Pret: Tres, Trentino (T-Z19945)
    25 markers
    -1 Rodrigues Pereira (T-M70)
    -2 Costa (T-M70)
    -2 Israel (T-M70)
    -2 Frush (3) and Froshour (all T-M70)
    -2 Lemas: Azores (T-M70)
    37 markers
    -4 Rodrigues Pereira (T-M70)

    The closest individuals to me on the FTDNA T group are Rodrigues Pereira and the related (or multiple-tested) Bernot.

    note that Brooks ( ancient surname was Brucke from Hanover germany ) and Curtiss are related back via 4 generations back and both are related the the frush and Froshour , German family line

    I am split further apart from yourself with a pomerian Pole and an ancient Sardo/Trentino sample ........but the pole and I share links with the Brooks, Curtiss, Frush and Froshour family tree
    The pole closer to them than myself by 2 extra snp's

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    note that Brooks ( ancient surname was Brucke from Hanover germany ) and Curtiss are related back via 4 generations back and both are related the the frush and Froshour , German family line

    I am split further apart from yourself with a pomerian Pole and an ancient Sardo/Trentino sample ........but the pole and I share links with the Brooks, Curtiss, Frush and Froshour family tree
    The pole closer to them than myself by 2 extra snp's
    What is this ancient Sardo/Trentino sample you speak of? Is it the Cagliari sample on Yfull #ERS256892?

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