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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I do share a deep dive with R850 :)

    IA dod k7



    new matches to myself ...................no R850

    only orange bars count for myself
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4o
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post


    new matches to myself ...................no R850

    only orange bars count for myself
    some of your matches and Otzi,

    I get a lot of Otzi DNA, he's from the Alps, if I didn't know who he is, I'd say he's Salentino













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    T1a1... R850 650 BC vs T1a2... Salento 2020 AD


    R1b... R437 300 BC vs T1a2... Salento 2020 AD

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    Salento: How do you do a comparison of your plot to those samples in Mytrueancestry? Do you have to upload a kit from those other samples and do a kit to kit comparison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: How do you do a comparison of your plot to those samples in Mytrueancestry? Do you have to upload a kit from those other samples and do a kit to kit comparison?
    I downloaded the .bam and ..., but you could upgrade to Olympus, or (credit to Jovialis):

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/hzqdry...mples.zip/file

    ... unzip and upload to MTA

    ... go to “Additional Features” ... “Compare Kits”

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    Ok, got it. thanks. and thanks to Jovialis again. Btw not to switch threads but Jovialis updated the ancient Roman samples from Antonio et al 2019 and categorized them by the C1 to C7 clusters in the Antonio et al 2019 paper. Check out that thread. Pretty interesting results and again credit and thanks to Jovialis for doing that.

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    .... Determine from which civilizations and time periods you inherited the most ancient DNA segments

    100% Early Modern Period - Roman


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    My archaeogenetic results make sense given my mostly Spanish (or Iberian) background. Cool that I share DNA with Ötzi the Iceman as well as two of the Skeleton Lake remains, including the T1a2 one.
    ancient pop.jpgScreen Shot 2020-09-04 at 7.23.51 PM.jpgScreen Shot 2020-09-04 at 7.23.43 PM.jpgScreen Shot 2020-09-04 at 7.25.47 PM.jpg

    I do not understand where the Illyrian comes from. It shows up for my family members too. When I check the ancient groups that match the modern Spanish populations in their database, I also see Illyrian as a top match for almost all the regions, especially those in the south and east (Extremadura, Andalucía, Murcia, Valencia, Cataluña) and also Castile y León (north-central). Tried to understand it as a sort of Proto-Celtic Indo-European influence? Not even the modern groups of the western Balkans and the Adriatic coast in their database have Illyrian as one of their top ancient matches (Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, Albanian Tosk, Macedonian). Also don't really see it anywhere but Iberia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    My archaeogenetic results make sense given my mostly Spanish (or Iberian) background. Cool that I share DNA with Ötzi the Iceman as well as two of the Skeleton Lake remains, including the T1a2 one.
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    I do not understand where the Illyrian comes from. It shows up for my family members too. When I check the ancient groups that match the modern Spanish populations in their database, I also see Illyrian as a top match for almost all the regions, especially those in the south and east (Extremadura, Andalucía, Murcia, Valencia, Cataluña) and also Castile y León (north-central). Tried to understand it as a sort of Proto-Celtic Indo-European influence? Not even the modern groups of the western Balkans and the Adriatic coast in their database have Illyrian as one of their top ancient matches (Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, Albanian Tosk, Macedonian). Also don't really see it anywhere but Iberia...

    no such thing as an ethnic illyrian......its a geographical term......is is like saying iberian ............most likely they mean a west-balkan group, maybe Dalmatian or Liburnian, they seem the only sea power in the late bronze age and early iron age

    What is your current snp......as mine has changed again

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    no such thing as an ethnic illyrian......its a geographical term......is is like saying iberian ............most likely they mean a west-balkan group, maybe Dalmatian or Liburnian, they seem the only sea power in the late bronze age and early iron age

    What is your current snp......as mine has changed again
    Screen Shot 2020-09-05 at 9.50.55 AM.jpg

    My SNP remains CTS1848. FTDNA shows the country breakdown as well as new downstream SNP groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    Screen Shot 2020-09-05 at 9.50.55 AM.jpg

    My SNP remains CTS1848. FTDNA shows the country breakdown as well as new downstream SNP groups.

    yfull has this for you....you are in the bottom group



    the samples beginning with ERS or HG are old and ancient samples

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    Skeleton Lake Traveler I3403 y T1a2 (L131) on my chrome 15 :)




    ... and same chrome, but in a different position: I3404 (he’s mt H12, almost like me)


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    Does anyone known which subclade of Y-DNA T1a is mostly in the Massif Central of Auvergne, France?

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    There is both T1a1 and T1a2 in that area as well as Alsace and Lorraine

    I remember the french study put Auvergne and Alsace both at 4%

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    ... a T1a2 ‘relative’ from 215 years ago:

    I3403
    - Skeleton Lake Traveler -1805 AD





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    There is still no final completion ( still testing ) on the first sample in the beginning of the T-Z19945 tree path

    T-Y6033*id:YF75971 DEU [DE-THURINGEN] formed 10800 ybp, TMRCA 7600 ybp

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    1 step from me ..............a Prussian of jewish religion coming from same place as the Pole in my yfull and ftdna group , ie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbork province


    Anthonius Hoff, b. 1616 and d. 1677

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    There is still no final completion ( still testing ) on the first sample in the beginning of the T-Z19945 tree path

    T-Y6033*id:YF75971 DEU [DE-THURINGEN] formed 10800 ybp, TMRCA 7600 ybp

    There is another new T in the Group T1a2-CTS1848 ........which is one below me .......in YFull

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    There is another new T in the Group T1a2-CTS1848 ........which is one below me .......in YFull

    new person is

    T-Z19945
    3100 (38002400) Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, d. 1874 Belgium


    • Nicolas VIRONET, born about May 1818, deceased 30 May 1874 (Saturday) - Jumet, 6040, Hainaut, Belgique aged about 56 years old, Houilleur

      Married 4 November 1845 (Tuesday), Saint-Vaast, 7100, Hainaut, Belgique, to
    • Placidie-Joseph COPPIN, born 8 October 1823 (Wednesday) - Saint-Vaast, 7100, Hainaut, Belgique, deceased 27 March 1888 (Tuesday) - Jumet, 6040, Hainaut, Belgique aged 64 years old





    children

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    I cannot read belgium ( walloon, french or flemish )

    L’an mil huit cent dix huit, le cinq du mois de mai à neuf heures du matin, par devant nous, Bourgmestre et échevins de la ville de Mons, province du Hainaut, est comparue Agnès Delporte, âgée de vingr deux ans, employée à l’hospice des enfants abandonnés de cette ville et y demeurant, qui nous a déclaré qu’hier à neuf heures trois quart du soir, il a été trouvé dans le tour de l’hospice des enfants abandonnés, un enfant tel qu’elle nous l’a présenté emmailloté dans un morceau de callemande noire, deux mouchoirs simples, une braie, une chemise, un capotin de basin blanc, un bonnet de perkalle garni de tulle de soie festonnée et une sandrinette de coton à lignes rouges et blanches ayant dans ses maillots la moitié d’une image, après avoir visité cet enfant avons reconnu qu’il était nouveau né et de sexe masculin. De suite avons inscrit cet enfant sous les prénom et nom de Nicolas Vironet

    et avons ordonné qu’il fut remis au dit hospice. De quoi nous avons dressé acte en présence de la dite Agnès Delporte et que nous avons signé, cette dernière ayant déclaré ne savoir écrire après qu’il lui a été fait lecture du contenu du présent procès verbal

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    seems like nicholas Vironet was not the true name

    https://images.findagrave.com/photos...465cb47a5.jpeg

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    Gian Francesco Domenico Vironet born 1572

    Oldest Vironet surname I found


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquixanes

    who married a female surname Talliaferro

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    @salento

    BY143483 has been split into 2 branches by ftdna .......( T tree was redone by ftdna staff on the 19th of October ), which branch are you in?.........as I have 1 with me in SK1480 branch and the other person in the other branch

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento

    BY143483 has been split into 2 branches by ftdna .......( T tree was redone by ftdna staff on the 19th of October ), which branch are you in?.........as I have 1 with me in SK1480 branch and the other person in the other branch
    In the y T Project we’re in the same BY143483 Group, ... me, you, and Anonymous :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    In the y T Project we’re in the same BY143483 Group, ... me, you, and Anonymous :)
    Anonymous is the Polish guy who I chat with .................he states his line is from Thuringia Germany 100 years or so previously

    BigY ftdna , split the BY143483 into 2 groups ..............I have one person with me and the other person went into the other group ...........I cannot tell if you have remained with me in the new grouping.....do you have snp SK1480 ???

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