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    Does anyone know about these two kits in our grouping of the FTDNA T Project?

    IN90821 - no info listed. Placed between Laurent and Hulpeau, guessing it could be Z19950+ or even BY160604+

    562486 - no info listed. Placed in the Bernot cluster, guessing it could be FT158444/BY71340+ and maybe another Bernot that tested

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    Does anyone know about these two kits in our grouping of the FTDNA T Project?

    IN90821 - no info listed. Placed between Laurent and Hulpeau, guessing it could be Z19950+ or even BY160604+

    562486 - no info listed. Placed in the Bernot cluster, guessing it could be FT158444/BY71340+ and maybe another Bernot that tested

    Hulpeau iirc is a french hugenout from Lorraine France...

    Laurent has been chatting in ftdna T and is in here somewhere, she wrote for her brother.....

    Bernot samples are .............Edwardo Bernot and his cousins, Paulino and Francisco .....

    Vironet is surname Verona now, as Vironet is a fabricated orphanage name .......matching another T-Z19950 surname Tilleaux Namur.Belgium

    562486 iirc is via Verona and linked with
    Erspamer, Baltasare Giovanni (1704 - ) - male b. 4 Feb 1704 father: Erspamer, Giovanni (b1671 - ) mother: Grumer, Dorotea (~1674 - )

    I need to reconfirm a few of these,
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    other T1a2

    Cristoforo Iacobini (16th century, near Rome, Italy).

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    Another 1 step away match with myself in ftdna

    Another Hill surname

    Isaac Hill Sr.
    b. 22 Jul 1748 - St. Mary's County, Province of Maryland
    d. 29 Jul 1825 - Hill Trace, Warren County, Tennessee, United States

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    running through old Ysearch matches for me from 2014-2018

    so, far 6 matches from ysearch also appear for me in ftdna

    missing are ( bold surnames ) who are same step match as myself

    Frederich Wilhelm Ahmann and Marie Bernadine Elisabeth Ahmann (born Steinigeweg). Frederich was born on March 20 1830, in Lienen, Tecklenburg, Prussia.
    Marie was born on January 8 1837, in Lienen, Tecklenburg, Prussia.



    Filippo Lippi 16th century from Arezzo italy .....................also matched me in the Sorenson program



    Teaford married a Catherine Runkle ........................from Nancy France

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    Yfull still do not use SK1480 , even though I have it and am positive for it

    they did recently add these for me as 5-stars
    CTS11819 • PF2766 • M3761


    noted from this area
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsurblia_Cave

    so I still sit under
    T-BY143483

    but ftdna has me one lower at T-SK1480

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    recent Ydna match with me


    surname
    Kerschbaumer

    from.....Frangart, Eppan, Tirol, Österreich


    have asked the family to do a dna test

    I really don't know how 23andme find these Ydna matches ? ................very odd

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    @Salento

    interesting is that in Ftdna advanced matches, yourself, myself and the Pole have zero differences in the STR's

    and , our closest relatives in ftdna is the Brooks, Curtiss people who come from the Frush T1a2-CTS933 group ( around , southern old east-germany ) ......the Frush are linked to the Froschauer group ( sometimes called Freshour )

    contacting a person from the group stated the most common link via surname is with ( speculation I think, but might have some value )
    Fusar is probably from Trieste,
    Fusari seems to have more in Lombardy, Verona and Vicenza, Emilia and Romagna, Ancona and Aquila.
    Fusarri, extremely rare, is also Lombard, Milanese and Bergamo area.
    Fusaro is present between Lombardy, Veneto, Piedmont and Liguria, but the main nucleuses are in the southern peninsular, Fusaroli is specific to Cesena and Cesenatico and Ravenna.
    Fuser is in the area between Venice and Treviso

    I do have family ties with the Fuser who are from Istrana

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @Salento

    interesting is that in Ftdna advanced matches, yourself, myself and the Pole have zero differences in the STR's

    and , our closest relatives in ftdna is the Brooks, Curtiss people who come from the Frush T1a2-CTS933 group ( around , southern old east-germany ) ......the Frush are linked to the Froschauer group ( sometimes called Freshour )

    contacting a person from the group stated the most common link via surname is with ( speculation I think, but might have some value )
    Fusar is probably from Trieste,
    Fusari seems to have more in Lombardy, Verona and Vicenza, Emilia and Romagna, Ancona and Aquila.
    Fusarri, extremely rare, is also Lombard, Milanese and Bergamo area.
    Fusaro is present between Lombardy, Veneto, Piedmont and Liguria, but the main nucleuses are in the southern peninsular, Fusaroli is specific to Cesena and Cesenatico and Ravenna.
    Fuser is in the area between Venice and Treviso

    I do have family ties with the Fuser who are from Istrana
    … cool, the Brooks and the Curtiss are Colonial Era y T :

    John/1f Brooks, b a1640-d 1695 Stratford, CT USA

    Daniel Curtiss b.1695 Stratford CT USA

    Daniel CURTISS b.1652 - Stratford, CT USA

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

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    Interesting chit chat in ftdna on T-CTS1848

    3 new members

    Hulpeau b. 1509 Belgium .............origins Flanders

    Richtera ......Czech

    Hortvik.....Czech b. 1615


    @salento.....I don't know what it means for us as we are negative for CTS1848.............but it is below us in our branch

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    @salento

    More T1a2 ydna ................look like a younger branch .................Fischer family , 7 in number

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    one has a gedmatch #

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento

    More T1a2 ydna ................look like a younger branch .................Fischer family , 7 in number

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    one has a gedmatch #
    @Torzio … distant MRCA, … see settings, … he matches the Germans, so he's probably closer to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I will check what I can find about Blarer

    Erspamer has there ftdna site
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...ct/dna-results

    his ancestors are in this link

    http://valdinonusa.com/search.php?my...als&mybool=AND
    I am not connected with this erspamer ( above ) unless they are cousins ............I cannot work it out

    I was sent this information on my link with the Erspamer

    Giovanni Giuseppe b. 1826 ...............with my line ....her ( Maddalena ) grandfather married a Miotto while my line was with his first wife which was a Robazza
    Giovanni b.1793 ..........Marianna Sartor
    Gasparo b.1741 .........Maria Targher
    Gasparo b. 1712 ..........Angela Rech
    Leonardo b. 1673 .........Apolloina Rella
    Antonio b. 1640 ............Barbara Port
    Leonardo b. 1614 ...........Brigida Trette
    Antonio b. 1582 ...........Cattarina Rolle

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I am not connected with this erspamer ( above ) unless they are cousins ............I cannot work it out

    I was sent this information on my link with the Erspamer

    Giovanni Giuseppe b. 1826 ...............with my line ....her ( Maddalena ) grandfather married a Miotto while my line was with his first wife which was a Robazza
    Giovanni b.1793 ..........Marianna Sartor
    Gasparo b.1741 .........Maria Targher
    Gasparo b. 1712 ..........Angela Rech
    Leonardo b. 1673 .........Apolloina Rella
    Antonio b. 1640 ............Barbara Port
    Leonardo b. 1614 ...........Brigida Trette
    Antonio b. 1582 ...........Cattarina Rolle

    Sartor is the venetian word for tailor
    gher is a typical friuli surname ending............same as net and others
    Rech is found from Trentino to Venice over many centuries
    Rella is typical pugliese surname
    Port , only found in trentino
    Rolle.....from Piedmont to trentino
    the others I will check

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    …. ‘sarto’ is the general term for ‘taylor’ in Italian too :)

    Rollo (Rella in Northern Italy) … is mainly a Salentina Peninsula surname.
    I know many ‘Rollo’ in my town.

    https://www.cognomix.it/origine-cognome/rollo.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    …. ‘sarto’ is the general term for ‘taylor’ in Italian too :)

    Rollo (Rella in Northern Italy) … is mainly a Salentina Peninsula surname.
    I know many ‘Rollo’ in my town.

    https://www.cognomix.it/origine-cognome/rollo.php

    ok but her surname was Rella .............bulk is found in Puglia and some in Trentino and other places...check below

    https://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-co...italiani/RELLA

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    ok but her surname was Rella .............bulk is found in Puglia and some in Trentino and other places...check below

    https://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-co...italiani/RELLA
    Rella / Rollo - Potayto / Potahto

    … the majority of the Rella are in Puglia, and the majority of the Rollo are in Salento, … and as you know Salento is part of Puglia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Rella / Rollo - Potayto / Potahto

    … the majority of the Rella are in Puglia, and the majority of the Rollo are in Salento, … and as you know Salento is part of Puglia.

    ok ................scribes can make many errors or names are changed slightly from one family to another

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    @Salento

    I have a new ftdna T person , genetic distance 0 ................surname Gue ..............do you have this as well?

    found a link to the ancestors

    Francesco b.1883 in Italy

    father is Alfonso b.1853 in Italy ............wife is surname Galen


    not sure , but could be from Foggia Italy ...............but Galen is a Veneto surname

    ..................................
    Also found in Taggia, Liguria

    .............................................
    further history states oldest Gue is from Brittany France circa 1450

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @Salento

    I have a new ftdna T person , genetic distance 0 ................surname Gue ..............do you have this as well?

    found a link to the ancestors

    Francesco b.1883 in Italy

    father is Alfonso b.1853 in Italy ............wife is surname Galen


    not sure , but could be from Foggia Italy ...............but Galen is a Veneto surname

    ..................................
    Also found in Taggia, Liguria

    .............................................
    further history states oldest Gue is from Brittany France circa 1450
    I don’t see any Gue / Galen, though I did find a Sartori. Maybe related to your Sartor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I don’t see any Gue / Galen, though I did find a Sartori. Maybe related to your Sartor.
    just found out that Gue is his adoptive surname ....the person was born as a Dobson

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    just found out that Gue is his adoptive surname ....the person was born as a Dobson

    I have written to Ken and found his grandfather was named Aefria/o ( b 1863 ) which is an italian christian name................Dobson could be a name used for when he migrated to USA ..............Aefria wife was name marie( b. 1875 ) Kamprich and was born in Germany

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    with the new ftdna matching system, I got my 3rd.... L-M20 match on my paternal side ......must be a marriage/s some where ............they all originate in Trentino or Vincenza province of Veneto

    so the surnames in question are

    Corse
    Rentenbach
    Cielo
    Toigo

    Another L ydna is surnamed Bergamo .......I am chatting with him ATM
    Last edited by torzio; 05-07-21 at 18:38.

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    my map from myheritage



    I have been in contact with a German recently in trying to find a link in the map for me.

    I have found a link with 2 families from Pederobba , Veneto and a german family from Trier and westeldorf Germany ( same area on map) names H.Welend and wife C. Andries .............their line went back and forth between these areas plus switzerland.
    Checking my DNA in myheritage, my line and father line share DNA segments from 8 families in the Pederobba town, in Veneto, Italy

    This is all prior to the year 1780

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    After ftdna latest update ....the BigY for T-Z19945 has 17 branches coming out of it

    with only 18 members shown nationality and 5 unshown

    most is 6 belgiums and next is 3 italians ...............only 1 non-european ..a Turk

    one of the Belgiums is the fabricated surname of vironet ........chat with ancestor Matt Verona for true ancestors...................they seem to be from Luoco friuli circa 1650

    i am not sure on the accuracy of ftdna anymore

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