Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

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@salento

got a note from a Casto family from NZ who are T ydna ......noted as 3rd to 5th cousin with myself

they state
came to NZ from USA
in USA from 1775
In England prior to 1775

In Germany prior to UK circa 1600

origin of family is from Apulia Italy



I checked today Casto surname in Apulia'
La distribuzione geografica del cognome Casto nella Regione Puglia

Lecce x 180
Taranto x 14

Foggia x 9


Brindisi x 2

Bari x 2

These are households and not individuals


You come across anything for this surname ?

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Only other 80% plus DNA march is with a family from Lombardy surname Corna

I asked them what their Ydna is if they have it

[Salento]

@salento

got a note from a Casto family from NZ who are T ydna ......noted as 3rd to 5th cousin with myself

they state
came to NZ from USA
in USA from 1775
In England prior to 1775

In Germany prior to UK circa 1600

origin of family is from Apulia Italy



I checked today Casto surname in Apulia'
La distribuzione geografica del cognome Casto nella Regione Puglia

Lecce x 180
Taranto x 14

Foggia x 9


Brindisi x 2

Bari x 2

These are households and not individuals


You come across anything for this surname ?

I don't know anyone by that surname.

If the family left Apulia in the 1600s, and the vast majority of the Casto reside in the province of Lecce, it is reasonable to assume that they’re Salentini.

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I have written to Ken and found his grandfather was named Aefria/o ( b 1863 ) which is an italian christian name................Dobson could be a name used for when he migrated to USA ..............Aefria wife was name marie( b. 1875 ) Kamprich and was born in Germany

	Aefria E Dobson
Gender	Male
Birth	Jan 1863 Iowa, United States
Residence	1900 Precincts A & B, Seward, Nebraska, USA
Age	37
Marital status	Married
Marriage	Circa 1893
Race	White
Ethnicity	American
Wife	Mary Dobson
Children	Jesse Dobson Herbert Dobson Leslie Dobson

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	Aefria E Dobson
Gender	Male
Birth	Jan 1863 Iowa, United States
Residence	1900 Precincts A & B, Seward, Nebraska, USA
Age	37
Marital status	Married
Marriage	Circa 1893
Race	White
Ethnicity	American
Wife	Mary Dobson
Children	Jesse Dobson Herbert Dobson Leslie Dobson

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Leslie Nlysess Dodson 24/1/1900 to 12/3/1989 married Ventla ( born in Finland )

His father was dead by 1917 when leslie enlisted for WW1

the Gue seems to be the mother Ventla surname


This seems to be the end of my exact Ydna match with Kenneth Gue in ftdna

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Leslie Nlysess Dodson 24/1/1900 to 12/3/1989 married Ventla ( born in Finland )

father was dead by 1917 when leslie enlisted for WW1

the Gue seems to be the mother Ventla surname


This seems to be the end of my exact Ydna match with Kenneth Gue in ftdna

Correction........Gue surname is an ancient french surname usually associated with the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine

Gue Name Meaning

French (Gué): topographic name for someone who lived near a ford, from Old French wad ‘ford’, ‘crossing place’.

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In yfull I have lost all STR matches except for ancestor of Matt Verona
Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, Mons, Belgium, d. 1874, Jumet, Belgium Belgium T-Y61337
the Y61337 is a new branch and moves the person away from the Bernot family
Nicolas Vironet is shown in the site, finding a grave and is noted that Vironet is a fabricated orphan surname

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In Yfull a second Vironet is linked with my self

Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, Mons, Belgium, d. 1874, Jumet, Belgium Belgium YF90988

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...icolas-vironet

I have found that Vironet is a fabricated surname ...............but I have also found their is a set of identical DNA from a family with surname Bichot ...............they appear in 2 places ..............Burgundy France and the Catalan area next to the french border

the oldest is

family Bichot have been in Burgundy since 1350.

Burgundians lived in southern France pre 13th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Burgundy

[Huracan]

In Yfull a second Vironet is linked with my self
Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, Mons, Belgium, d. 1874, Jumet, Belgium Belgium YF90988
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...icolas-vironet
I have found that Vironet is a fabricated surname ...............but I have also found their is a set of identical DNA from a family with surname Bichot ...............they appear in 2 places ..............Burgundy France and the Catalan area next to the french border
the oldest is
family Bichot have been in Burgundy since 1350.
Burgundians lived in southern France pre 13th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Burgundy

Where did you find these Bichot individuals? Are they on a site?

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Where did you find these Bichot individuals? Are they on a site?

Still checking out where this identical comes from

But mr. Verona and I had a long chat ( messages yesterday ) and he states ..........part of a very long text

Marguerite FOURNIER abandoned Laurent's 2nd GGF, Jean Claude Fournier, at birth, in Paris, 1835.
Since she abandoned the baby at a hospice with no foundling wheel, she had to give her name, which was recorded.
We suspect that this lady abandoned my 2nd GGF, Nicolas Vironet, 17 years earlier, as a teenager.
I sent Laurent my spare Big Y-700 kit, a $450 early Christmas gift, LOL, so we can prove that we don't share the same 3rd GGF... if we have no Y-DNA match, then Marguerite is probably our MRCA.
We also found a solid triangulated match on chromosome 14 with some of the same Vironets from chromosome 7.
His name is Marcel Jacques Fournier, living in Felleries,
Marguerite FOURNIER wasn't married, and the father is unknown in the hospice records for Jean Claude.
So Jean Claude was given his mother's family name.
(Since Marguerite has a history of abandoning babies, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a French prostitute, lol)

So I am checking if Marguerite was impregnated by a Bichot

you need to check Geneanet for the Vironet and Fournier lines to make it clear

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new snp tracker results

[Salento]

new snp tracker results

It says: our “Final” common male ancestor dates back to anytime after 1800 AD,

… our line entered Italy around 1200 BC,
… new mutation in 330 AD (Roman Empire), and then again 200 years ago.

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It says: our “Final” common male ancestor dates back to anytime after 1800 AD,
… our line entered Italy around 1200 BC,
… new mutation in 330 AD (Roman Empire), and then again 200 years ago.

"entered italy around 1200BC" ....................fall of troy ................most likely as troy allies the Bithynian thracians ....................maybe next to the Mysians on the map

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysians


I do not know about origin of SK1480 .................as my BDM records that I have, have my paternal family line from around 1400 AD in Val di Non Trentino

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new members for myself my T-m70 in ftdna .................both 1 step away

Paternal: Hill King

Maternal: Hobert Lewis
Haplogroup
Y-DNAT-M70


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Paternal: Isaac Milligan, b. 1810 and d. after 1880

Maternal: Not Provided
Haplogroup
Y-DNAT-M70

[Salento]

"entered italy around 1200BC" ....................fall of troy ................most likely as troy allies the Bithynian thracians ....................maybe next to the Mysians on the map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysians
I do not know about origin of SK1480 .................as my BDM records that I have, have my paternal family line from around 1400 AD in Val di Non Trentino

Let’s say for a moment that the Tracker timeline is correct:

If the SK1480 mutation really occurred around 1800 AD, your 1400 AD y T ancestors were still BY143483,

… the SK1480 mutation originated from a descendant of that 1400 AD line, obviously.
( … assuming no male adoptions or stepsons)

… though I’m also SK1480, so all of this applies to me too :)

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Let’s say for a moment that the Tracker timeline is correct:

If the SK1480 mutation really occurred around 1800 AD, your 1400 AD y T ancestors were still BY143483,

… the SK1480 mutation originated from a descendant of that 1400 AD line, obviously.
( … assuming no male adoptions or stepsons)

… though I’m also SK1480, so all of this applies to me too :)

so SK1480 occurred for us regardless of where our ancestors where ...............in the year in question , my line was in the ponzano and villorba areas of Veneto Italy............I can even tell you all their partners

no adoptions

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new members for myself my T-m70 in ftdna .................both 1 step away
Paternal: Hill King
Maternal: Hobert Lewis
Haplogroup
Y-DNAT-M70
......................................
Paternal: Isaac Milligan, b. 1810 and d. after 1880
Maternal: Not Provided
Haplogroup
Y-DNAT-M70

many T-M70 with the Hill surname ..............origins scottish.........migrated to USA initially to the 2 carolinas

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=ycolorized

and the milligan...not many

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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2 step from me

Ichabod Holbrook (1662 - 1718)
haplogroup T-FT346399, FTDNA kit #718133

Ezekiel Mann (1760 - aft. 1830)
haplogroup T1a, FTDNA kit #312352

Roger Reffeild [uncertain] formerly Reffell aka Reffeld [uncertain]
Husband of Sarah Peter — married about 24 Dec 1687 in Wotton, Surrey, England
haplogroup T-M70, FTDNA kit #IN49944

John Burroughs (1705 - 1791)
haplogroup T-M70, FTDNA kit #182862

Michael Lemke (1766 - 1813)
Born 1766 in Groß Bellschwitz, Rosenberg, West Prussia, Prussia, Germany
haplogroup T-m70, FTDNA kit #B59853


seems very strange ...many from british isles and many appeared recently ( last 2 months )......maybe a change in ftdna programming

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@salento....chatted with a Turk from Paphlagonia NW turkey......he states he is T1a2 ydna and linked with italians ............he claims the T for himself came out of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariandyni

The guys other material is interesting...he states in one part
Here is a link and paragraph of a book of Phoenician settlements. As I mentioned above I mostly think that our T1a2b grandparents voyaged everywhere during Phonecian colonisations.

"The further progress of the Phoenician settlements northward into the Propontis and the Euxine is a point whereon different opinions may be entertained. Pronectus, on the Bithynian, and Amastris, on the Paphlagonian coast, have been numbered among the colonies of the Phoenicians by some;[578] while others have gone so far as to ascribe to them the colonisation of the entire countries of Bithynia, Mariandynia, and Paphlagonia.[579]

My father's hometown Devrek, whose ancient name is Dadybra (AD 300 - AD 640, is on a point between historical Paphlagonia and Mariandynia.)

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...mariandyni-geo

https://amp.en.google-info.in/381609...ariandyni.html


If you come across any T1a2 in yfull with a turkish flag let me now ..

[Salento]

OK, I’ll do that, … though if he’s linked to the Italians, it’s also feasible that he could have gotten his y T from the Romans.

[Huracan]

@salento....chatted with a Turk from Paphlagonia NW turkey......he states he is T1a2 ydna and linked with italians ............he claims the T for himself came out of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariandyni
The guys other material is interesting...he states in one part
Here is a link and paragraph of a book of Phoenician settlements. As I mentioned above I mostly think that our T1a2b grandparents voyaged everywhere during Phonecian colonisations.
"The further progress of the Phoenician settlements northward into the Propontis and the Euxine is a point whereon different opinions may be entertained. Pronectus, on the Bithynian, and Amastris, on the Paphlagonian coast, have been numbered among the colonies of the Phoenicians by some;[578] while others have gone so far as to ascribe to them the colonisation of the entire countries of Bithynia, Mariandynia, and Paphlagonia.[579]

My father's hometown Devrek, whose ancient name is Dadybra (AD 300 - AD 640, is on a point between historical Paphlagonia and Mariandynia.)
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...mariandyni-geo
https://amp.en.google-info.in/381609...ariandyni.html
If you come across any T1a2 in yfull with a turkish flag let me now ..

Speaking of Turkish T1a2, there is a Turkish CTS1848+ individual on FTDNA that shows up on the general and Big Y trees but not in the T project. Have not been able to get any information on them.
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Genetic homeland shows a CTS1848 sample from Aydin, Turkey. The "DNA Project" link sends you to the Turkey FTDNA Project but I do not see any CTS1848 samples in their listing. The only T individual with STRs starting with 13-22 is #BP21018 from Hatay - they only have 12 STRs and are listed as T-M70 ... may not be related at all.
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Would be interesting to find out more about them. Adds more to the story of non-European lines in our Y groups.

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Speaking of Turkish T1a2, there is a Turkish CTS1848+ individual on FTDNA that shows up on the general and Big Y trees but not in the T project. Have not been able to get any information on them.
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Genetic homeland shows a CTS1848 sample from Aydin, Turkey. The "DNA Project" link sends you to the Turkey FTDNA Project but I do not see any CTS1848 samples in their listing. The only T individual with STRs starting with 13-22 is #BP21018 from Hatay - they only have 12 STRs and are listed as T-M70 ... may not be related at all.
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Would be interesting to find out more about them. Adds more to the story of non-European lines in our Y groups.

he is a bulgarian by ancestory
the person I spoke too comes from the black sea coast in turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphlagonia

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@huracan

do you match any from post 994 ?

[Huracan]

@huracan
do you match any from post 994 ?

Nope. No changes in my Y matches on FTDNA in a long time.