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    @salento

    got a note from a Casto family from NZ who are T ydna ......noted as 3rd to 5th cousin with myself

    they state
    came to NZ from USA
    in USA from 1775
    In England prior to 1775

    In Germany prior to UK circa 1600

    origin of family is from Apulia Italy



    I checked today Casto surname in Apulia'
    La distribuzione geografica del cognome Casto nella Regione Puglia

    Lecce x 180
    Taranto
    x 14

    Foggia x 9


    Brindisi x 2

    Bari x 2

    These are households and not individuals


    You come across anything for this surname ?
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-Z282

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    Only other 80% plus DNA march is with a family from Lombardy surname Corna

    I asked them what their Ydna is if they have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento

    got a note from a Casto family from NZ who are T ydna ......noted as 3rd to 5th cousin with myself

    they state
    came to NZ from USA
    in USA from 1775
    In England prior to 1775

    In Germany prior to UK circa 1600

    origin of family is from Apulia Italy



    I checked today Casto surname in Apulia'
    La distribuzione geografica del cognome Casto nella Regione Puglia

    Lecce x 180
    Taranto
    x 14

    Foggia x 9


    Brindisi x 2

    Bari x 2

    These are households and not individuals


    You come across anything for this surname ?
    I don't know anyone by that surname.

    If the family left Apulia in the 1600s, and the vast majority of the Casto reside in the province of Lecce, it is reasonable to assume that they’re Salentini.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I have written to Ken and found his grandfather was named Aefria/o ( b 1863 ) which is an italian christian name................Dobson could be a name used for when he migrated to USA ..............Aefria wife was name marie( b. 1875 ) Kamprich and was born in Germany

    Aefria E Dobson
    Gender Male
    Birth Jan 1863 Iowa, United States
    Residence 1900 Precincts A & B, Seward, Nebraska, USA
    Age 37
    Marital status Married
    Marriage Circa 1893
    Race White
    Ethnicity American
    Wife Mary Dobson
    Children Jesse Dobson
    Herbert Dobson
    Leslie Dobson

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Aefria E Dobson
    Gender Male
    Birth Jan 1863 Iowa, United States
    Residence 1900 Precincts A & B, Seward, Nebraska, USA
    Age 37
    Marital status Married
    Marriage Circa 1893
    Race White
    Ethnicity American
    Wife Mary Dobson
    Children Jesse Dobson
    Herbert Dobson
    Leslie Dobson


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post

    Leslie Nlysess Dodson 24/1/1900 to 12/3/1989 married Ventla ( born in Finland )

    His father was dead by 1917 when leslie enlisted for WW1

    the Gue seems to be the mother Ventla surname


    This seems to be the end of my exact Ydna match with Kenneth Gue in ftdna
    Last edited by torzio; 30-09-21 at 19:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Leslie Nlysess Dodson 24/1/1900 to 12/3/1989 married Ventla ( born in Finland )

    father was dead by 1917 when leslie enlisted for WW1

    the Gue seems to be the mother Ventla surname


    This seems to be the end of my exact Ydna match with Kenneth Gue in ftdna
    Correction........Gue surname is an ancient french surname usually associated with the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine

    Gue Name Meaning

    French (Gué): topographic name for someone who lived near a ford, from Old French wad ‘ford’, ‘crossing place’.

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    In yfull I have lost all STR matches except for ancestor of Matt Verona
    Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, Mons, Belgium, d. 1874, Jumet, Belgium Belgium T-Y61337
    the Y61337 is a new branch and moves the person away from the Bernot family
    Nicolas Vironet is shown in the site, finding a grave and is noted that Vironet is a fabricated orphan surname

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    In Yfull a second Vironet is linked with my self

    Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, Mons, Belgium, d. 1874, Jumet, Belgium Belgium YF90988

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...icolas-vironet

    I have found that Vironet is a fabricated surname ...............but I have also found their is a set of identical DNA from a family with surname Bichot ...............they appear in 2 places ..............Burgundy France and the Catalan area next to the french border

    the oldest is

    family Bichot have been in Burgundy since 1350.

    Burgundians lived in southern France pre 13th century

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Burgundy

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    In Yfull a second Vironet is linked with my self
    Nicolas Vironet, b. 1818, Mons, Belgium, d. 1874, Jumet, Belgium Belgium YF90988
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...icolas-vironet
    I have found that Vironet is a fabricated surname ...............but I have also found their is a set of identical DNA from a family with surname Bichot ...............they appear in 2 places ..............Burgundy France and the Catalan area next to the french border
    the oldest is
    family Bichot have been in Burgundy since 1350.
    Burgundians lived in southern France pre 13th century
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Burgundy
    Where did you find these Bichot individuals? Are they on a site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    Where did you find these Bichot individuals? Are they on a site?
    Still checking out where this identical comes from

    But mr. Verona and I had a long chat ( messages yesterday ) and he states ..........part of a very long text

    Marguerite FOURNIER abandoned Laurent's 2nd GGF, Jean Claude Fournier, at birth, in Paris, 1835.
    Since she abandoned the baby at a hospice with no foundling wheel, she had to give her name, which was recorded.
    We suspect that this lady abandoned my 2nd GGF, Nicolas Vironet, 17 years earlier, as a teenager.
    I sent Laurent my spare Big Y-700 kit, a $450 early Christmas gift, LOL, so we can prove that we don't share the same 3rd GGF... if we have no Y-DNA match, then Marguerite is probably our MRCA.
    We also found a solid triangulated match on chromosome 14 with some of the same Vironets from chromosome 7.
    His name is Marcel Jacques Fournier, living in Felleries,
    Marguerite FOURNIER wasn't married, and the father is unknown in the hospice records for Jean Claude.
    So Jean Claude was given his mother's family name.
    (Since Marguerite has a history of abandoning babies, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a French prostitute, lol)


    So I am checking if Marguerite was impregnated by a Bichot

    you need to check Geneanet for the Vironet and Fournier lines to make it clear

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    new snp tracker results


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    new snp tracker results

    It says: our “Final” common male ancestor dates back to anytime after 1800 AD,

    … our line entered Italy around 1200 BC,
    … new mutation in 330 AD (Roman Empire), and then again 200 years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It says: our “Final” common male ancestor dates back to anytime after 1800 AD,
    … our line entered Italy around 1200 BC,
    … new mutation in 330 AD (Roman Empire), and then again 200 years ago.
    "entered italy around 1200BC" ....................fall of troy ................most likely as troy allies the Bithynian thracians ....................maybe next to the Mysians on the map

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysians


    I do not know about origin of SK1480 .................as my BDM records that I have, have my paternal family line from around 1400 AD in Val di Non Trentino

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    new members for myself my T-m70 in ftdna .................both 1 step away

    Paternal: Hill King

    Maternal: Hobert Lewis
    Haplogroup
    Y-DNAT-M70


    ......................................



    Paternal: Isaac Milligan, b. 1810 and d. after 1880

    Maternal: Not Provided
    Haplogroup
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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    "entered italy around 1200BC" ....................fall of troy ................most likely as troy allies the Bithynian thracians ....................maybe next to the Mysians on the map
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysians
    I do not know about origin of SK1480 .................as my BDM records that I have, have my paternal family line from around 1400 AD in Val di Non Trentino
    Let’s say for a moment that the Tracker timeline is correct:

    If the SK1480 mutation really occurred around 1800 AD, your 1400 AD y T ancestors were still BY143483,

    … the SK1480 mutation originated from a descendant of that 1400 AD line, obviously.
    ( … assuming no male adoptions or stepsons)

    … though I’m also SK1480, so all of this applies to me too :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Let’s say for a moment that the Tracker timeline is correct:

    If the SK1480 mutation really occurred around 1800 AD, your 1400 AD y T ancestors were still BY143483,

    … the SK1480 mutation originated from a descendant of that 1400 AD line, obviously.
    ( … assuming no male adoptions or stepsons)

    … though I’m also SK1480, so all of this applies to me too :)

    so SK1480 occurred for us regardless of where our ancestors where ...............in the year in question , my line was in the ponzano and villorba areas of Veneto Italy............I can even tell you all their partners

    no adoptions

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    new members for myself my T-m70 in ftdna .................both 1 step away
    Paternal: Hill King
    Maternal: Hobert Lewis
    Haplogroup
    Y-DNAT-M70
    ......................................
    Paternal: Isaac Milligan, b. 1810 and d. after 1880
    Maternal: Not Provided
    Haplogroup
    Y-DNAT-M70

    many T-M70 with the Hill surname ..............origins scottish.........migrated to USA initially to the 2 carolinas

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=ycolorized

    and the milligan...not many

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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    2 step from me

    Ichabod Holbrook (1662 - 1718)
    haplogroup T-FT346399, FTDNA kit #718133

    Ezekiel Mann (1760 - aft. 1830)
    haplogroup T1a, FTDNA kit #312352

    Roger Reffeild [uncertain] formerly Reffell aka Reffeld [uncertain]
    Husband of Sarah Peter — married about 24 Dec 1687 in Wotton, Surrey, England
    haplogroup T-M70, FTDNA kit #IN49944

    John Burroughs (1705 - 1791)
    haplogroup T-M70, FTDNA kit #182862

    Michael Lemke (1766 - 1813)
    Born 1766 in Groß Bellschwitz, Rosenberg, West Prussia, Prussia, Germany
    haplogroup T-m70, FTDNA kit #B59853


    seems very strange ...many from british isles and many appeared recently ( last 2 months )......maybe a change in ftdna programming
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    @salento....chatted with a Turk from Paphlagonia NW turkey......he states he is T1a2 ydna and linked with italians ............he claims the T for himself came out of

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariandyni

    The guys other material is interesting...he states in one part
    Here is a link and paragraph of a book of Phoenician settlements. As I mentioned above I mostly think that our T1a2b grandparents voyaged everywhere during Phonecian colonisations.

    "The further progress of the Phoenician settlements northward into the Propontis and the Euxine is a point whereon different opinions may be entertained. Pronectus, on the Bithynian, and Amastris, on the Paphlagonian coast, have been numbered among the colonies of the Phoenicians by some;[578] while others have gone so far as to ascribe to them the colonisation of the entire countries of Bithynia, Mariandynia, and Paphlagonia.[579]

    My father's hometown Devrek, whose ancient name is Dadybra (AD 300 - AD 640, is on a point between historical Paphlagonia and Mariandynia.)

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...mariandyni-geo

    https://amp.en.google-info.in/381609...ariandyni.html


    If you come across any T1a2 in yfull with a turkish flag let me now ..

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    OK, I’ll do that, … though if he’s linked to the Italians, it’s also feasible that he could have gotten his y T from the Romans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento....chatted with a Turk from Paphlagonia NW turkey......he states he is T1a2 ydna and linked with italians ............he claims the T for himself came out of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariandyni
    The guys other material is interesting...he states in one part
    Here is a link and paragraph of a book of Phoenician settlements. As I mentioned above I mostly think that our T1a2b grandparents voyaged everywhere during Phonecian colonisations.
    "The further progress of the Phoenician settlements northward into the Propontis and the Euxine is a point whereon different opinions may be entertained. Pronectus, on the Bithynian, and Amastris, on the Paphlagonian coast, have been numbered among the colonies of the Phoenicians by some;[578] while others have gone so far as to ascribe to them the colonisation of the entire countries of Bithynia, Mariandynia, and Paphlagonia.[579]

    My father's hometown Devrek, whose ancient name is Dadybra (AD 300 - AD 640, is on a point between historical Paphlagonia and Mariandynia.)
    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...mariandyni-geo
    https://amp.en.google-info.in/381609...ariandyni.html
    If you come across any T1a2 in yfull with a turkish flag let me now ..
    Speaking of Turkish T1a2, there is a Turkish CTS1848+ individual on FTDNA that shows up on the general and Big Y trees but not in the T project. Have not been able to get any information on them.
    Screen Shot 2021-11-23 at 6.15.05 PM.png
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    Genetic homeland shows a CTS1848 sample from Aydin, Turkey. The "DNA Project" link sends you to the Turkey FTDNA Project but I do not see any CTS1848 samples in their listing. The only T individual with STRs starting with 13-22 is #BP21018 from Hatay - they only have 12 STRs and are listed as T-M70 ... may not be related at all.
    Screen Shot 2021-11-23 at 6.09.26 PM.jpg

    Would be interesting to find out more about them. Adds more to the story of non-European lines in our Y groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    Speaking of Turkish T1a2, there is a Turkish CTS1848+ individual on FTDNA that shows up on the general and Big Y trees but not in the T project. Have not been able to get any information on them.
    Screen Shot 2021-11-23 at 6.15.05 PM.png
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    Genetic homeland shows a CTS1848 sample from Aydin, Turkey. The "DNA Project" link sends you to the Turkey FTDNA Project but I do not see any CTS1848 samples in their listing. The only T individual with STRs starting with 13-22 is #BP21018 from Hatay - they only have 12 STRs and are listed as T-M70 ... may not be related at all.
    Screen Shot 2021-11-23 at 6.09.26 PM.jpg
    Would be interesting to find out more about them. Adds more to the story of non-European lines in our Y groups.
    he is a bulgarian by ancestory
    the person I spoke too comes from the black sea coast in turkey

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphlagonia

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    @huracan

    do you match any from post 994 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
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    do you match any from post 994 ?
    Nope. No changes in my Y matches on FTDNA in a long time.

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