Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

**torzio** · 25-06-22, 21:44

Got another T match in Ftdna with a Hill King

belongs with all these other T in link below ...............I match a lot of them

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=ycolorized

**Huracan** · 01-07-22, 06:09

Originally Posted by torzio

Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )
SI-42
Y-DNA: T1a-M70 (xCTS10577, CTS8051, FGC1272, FGC1249, CTS11626, CTS7001, CTS382, FGC1180, PF5521, CTS5499, CTS1599, FGC1517, CTS4435, FGC1200, PF5663, CTS11431, FGC1286, FGC1292, FGC1264, CTS9703, FGC1290, CTS4831, PF7460, CTS10618, PF5571, CTS12114, CTS9717, FGC1291)
mtDNA: J1b1a1
Sample:
Coverage: 0.7
Mapped Reads: 37079898
Other IDs:
ENA Number: ERS3189353
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)

he was born in area in link below after isotope tests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia_and_Pontus

Where did you find out the isotope test birth area information? What source?

**torzio** · 08-07-22, 17:44

Originally Posted by Huracan

Where did you find out the isotope test birth area information? What source?

info sent to me via a T project administraor

**torzio** · 08-07-22, 17:46

T ydna ............ie modern numbers in Tyrol .............names are from papers done

**torzio** · 08-07-22, 17:49

North and east Tyrol does not have many............bulk in South Tyrol ( Italian Tyrol ) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenti.../S%C3%BCdtirol

**torzio** · 10-07-22, 17:17

Other T1a2 ydna ...................some I match with and some only Matt Verona match with

Vincent Umile Montaldo ....................oldest ancestor ...Achille Montaldo , Italy

Ryan Michael Cutillo ........................Valentino Cutillo, Italy

Erwin Kalt ....................................Austria

Jasoslaw Lesniewski .........................????

Andrew Robert Melcher ....................Ancestor from Trentino, Italy

Philippe Sion ........................T1a2-Sk1480 ...................why is he not on my list, is FtDna flawed ?

Lieven Sioen .....................Another T-Sk1480.........not on my list

Ian Preston ............................Wales

John Keys Knox ......................William Knox 1761-1837

Clifton L Knox ........................Robert Knox 1725-1806 , Ireland

Nelson Bonitto ............................Italy

All of the Above are T1a2 branch

**torzio** · 10-07-22, 17:31

More on Sion from chit chat

Sion is an ancient Viking-Scottish name derived from the Old English personal name Swein, which was originally derived from the Old Norse name Sveinn.

"my Sion" below

Antonio SION

Deceased before 1663 - Raschiacco di Campeglio, Friuli, ITALIA

Married Dorotea Pelzer

and

.................................................. ....
Sioen
from Vanden Bussche family Tree

oldest ancestor ............Lucas Sioen 1601-1646 from Sint-Pieters-op-de-Dijk, Belgium...married Marie Dhaene

Both are T1a2-SK1480

Is the Ftdna project changes manually done or automatic

**torzio** · 10-07-22, 17:42

Maybe a sister of Antonio as per above

Domenica SION

Born - Raschiacco di Campeglio, Friuli, ITALIA

Spouses

Married 29 January 1674, Campeglio, Friuli, ITALIA, to Biasio SERAFINI

.........................................

https://www.antenati.san.benicultura...633026/5YeeVRy .....................bottom registry

Lorenzo Sion

Born 24 August 1772 (Monday)
Agricoltore

Parents

Giovanni Battista Sion
Masutta Elena

Spouses

Civil solidarity pact 29 April 1812 (Wednesday), Cividale del Friuli, 1926, Udine, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italië, with Maria Namor 1789

**torzio** · 10-07-22, 22:48

SION surname in Italy
Caserta Campania .............oldest is circa 1800
Turin ...........................circa 1730
Rome ............................circa 1900
Brescia , Lombardy ...........circa 1760
//////////////////////////////
Antoine Sion
Print Family Tree
Born in 1761
Deceased 20 April 1841 - Relanges, Vosges, Grand Est, France, aged 80 years old
Spouses and children
Married 17 March 1794, Relanges 88, to Marguerite Meignien
I have Dna matches with Vosges, Grand Est, France area

**torzio** · 10-07-22, 22:54

not sure if the de Sion have T1a2

but this person is from Ome, Brescia, italy

Pierre de Sion d'AIGLE b.1301
Jeannette BLONAY

**torzio** · 11-07-22, 00:31

The SK1480 I do not have

i contacted the ftdna project team for T and asked the question

**torzio** · 21-07-22, 18:16

2 more new samples in YFull from my branch of T1a2

look like brothers

**Huracan** · 21-07-22, 22:22

Originally Posted by torzio

2 more new samples in YFull from my branch of T1a2
look like brothers

Great! Live version also shows West Pomerania, Poland as one of their origins
Screen Shot 2022-07-21 at 4.20.35 PM.png

**torzio** · 21-07-22, 23:38

Originally Posted by Huracan

Great! Live version also shows West Pomerania, Poland as one of their origins
Screen Shot 2022-07-21 at 4.20.35 PM.png

the POL is

Mieczysław Prokowski, b. 1925

where do you get West Pomerania ?

**torzio** · 21-07-22, 23:48

@ Huracan
Ok I found it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_P...an_Voivodeship
Województwo zachodniopomorskie

This is Old Prussia lands.......non Slavic ......but old Baltic people prior to 1200

**torzio** · 22-07-22, 02:34

Originally Posted by torzio

@ Huracan
Ok I found it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_P...an_Voivodeship
Województwo zachodniopomorskie
This is Old Prussia lands.......non Slavic ......but old Baltic people prior to 1200

from

Chociwel, Zachodniopomorskie / West Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland

**torzio** · 22-07-22, 02:37

Reminds me of the match I had in the old FtDna YSearch ....with IIRC , surname Ahmann ? from Stettin, West Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland

@Huracan.......see your post #53

**torzio** · 22-07-22, 06:30

So..there is 4 x T1a2 samples from ( Lubeck, Stettin )
West Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland ........................could be Hansetic League

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

**torzio** · 22-07-22, 06:40

Another from the area as above ....................their ancestors are below
Michael Klein b.1714 married to Eva Elsaesser Schwarz b.1716
both from Rheinsheim, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

**torzio** · 22-07-22, 18:48

Yfull sent me a message......they changed the origins ..................I thought they would, so the family link via Familysearch trees is with my post #1119

these 2 have slightly surpassed Erspamer sample from 1701 Trentino Italy ( also in link below)

**torzio** · 24-07-22, 05:28

Originally Posted by torzio

Another from the area as above ....................their ancestors are below
Michael Klein b.1714 married to Eva Elsaesser Schwarz b.1716
both from Rheinsheim, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

There seems to be a name change .............I cannot find the indicated town name ( bolded )
80% positive it came from Klein line....but need to confirm this

Joannes Bruno Prokowski
Event Marriage
Marriage Nov 9 1795
Monkowarsk, West Prussia
Wife Catharina Taizonka

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