Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

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Pax Augusta said:
I know you don't like the idea that Etruscans and Raetians were related linguistically, but at some point you need to grow up and stop being interested in these topics only to research yourself, your ancestors, and your identity. We need to move on to the next stage.
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they are related linguistically....but Rhaetic is young in language found............Rhaetic is also related with Venetic ................both Venetic and etruscan are older than Rhaetic........but linguistic proves nothing .............do you have other ethnic relationships ?

Syllabic punctuation became the key feature of Venetic script, even though alphabet variants from other parts of the Venetic realm deviate from the Este alphabet, most prominently in the writing of the dental stops. Prosdocimi argues that the younger phase 2 alphabets represent different solutions for reconciling the archaic Venetic alphabet with the younger Etruscan one and particularly the theoretical grid on which the writing instruction was based. Whether the Veneti still had access to the characters for mediae (as lettres mortes through Etruscan teaching) is hard to judge

The Raetic alphabets

Within the Raetic corpus, two different alphabets are distinguished. This goes back as far as Mommsen 1853 with his "Tyrolean" and "Verona" alphabets. Mommsen's "Tyrolean alphabet" was termed "Bozen alphabet" by Pauli 1885; his "Verona alphabet", originally attested in only one inscription, was rebranded as "Magrè alphabet" by Pellegrini 1918. After a suggestion by Mancini 1975: 306 (n. 42), the term "Bozen alphabet" was again changed to "Sanzeno alphabet" to reflect the latter site's large output of finds. (See Modern research on Raetic for details). Though the two alphabets had long been expected and were eventually demonstrated to encode the same language, the distinction still holds. The alphabets differ from each other in the use of graphic variants of a handful of letters, but share certain features which set them apart from the other North Italic alphabets and can therefore be considered typically Raetic.

The Sanzeno alphabet bears a closer resemblance to the Etruscan and Lepontic alphabets (Pauli 1885: 58–60): pi with a single bar P2 s, lambda with the bar at the bottom L2 s, and tip-down upsilon U2 s correspond to the standard letter forms in those alphabets. According to Prosdocimi 1971: 33, the Venetic system of distinction is a variation of the archaic Etruscan one, while the Sanzeno forms (especially pi with a single bar) correspond to younger Etruscan ones. However, pi P2 s is already found in 7th-century Chiusi (e.g., Cl 2.1, 2.4).

There is a certain extent of (random?) variation in the North Italic alphabets concerning the orientation of lambda and upsilon – non-inverted forms occur in the Venetic alphabetss (e.g., lambda L2 s in Es 16, upsilon U2 s in Es 22); inverted forms, particularly of upsilon, appear sporadically in the Lepontic alphabet (e.g., TI·36.3). Pi appears with a single bar in Venetic inscriptions from the Cadore (e.g., Ca 65). Still, the variation in the Raetic inscriptions is too regular to be put down to chance. The only inscriptions in which Sanzeno-forms co-occur with Magrè-forms are three inscriptions from find places associated with the Magrè alphabet: AS-17.1 has hyper-distinctive L2 s next to P s and U s, MA-6 has U2 s in combination with P s. In the latter case, the occurrence of "incorrect" upsilon may be attributed to the tendency to invert letters (especially alpha and epsilon) which can be observed in the Magrè inscriptions (see below sub Writing direction). In VR-6, Magrè-type upsilon U s appears beside a character looking like the Sanzeno letter for the dental affricate Þ3 s; L s is therefore ambiguous, as is tau T d, which has its bar crossing the hasta, but is retrograde as typical for the Sanzeno alphabet
 
Pax Augusta said:
but at some point you need to grow up and stop being interested in these topics only to research yourself, your ancestors, and your identity. We need to move on to the next stage.
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clarify what you mean.......what is the next stage, that you seek ?
 
Pax Augusta said:
but at some point you need to grow up and stop being interested in these topics only to research yourself, your ancestors, and your identity. We need to move on to the next stage.
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Check the thread name ................
What is the next stage you seek for this thread ?
 
MTA has the T1a2… : Skeleton-Lake, Swedish Viking, and CL Roman-Illiryan sharing the same clade.
… is the the Crusader knight T1a, T1a1, T1a2, or T1a3 ???

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... found some info at ReichLab: it only says that SI-42 is T1a2 !

SI-42 - petrous - 2018 - HaberAJHG2018 - y T1a2 - mt J1b1a1 - 1159-1283 calCE (811±45 BP) - Lebanon_Medieval - Sidon Lebanon - Male (no relatives detected)
 
Salento said:
... found some info at ReichLab: it only says that SI-42 is T1a2 !
SI-42 - petrous - 2018 - HaberAJHG2018 - y T1a2 - mt J1b1a1 - 1159-1283 calCE (811±45 BP) - Lebanon_Medieval - Sidon Lebanon - Male (no relatives detected)
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Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )
SI-42
Y-DNA: T1a-M70 (xCTS10577, CTS8051, FGC1272, FGC1249, CTS11626, CTS7001, CTS382, FGC1180, PF5521, CTS5499, CTS1599, FGC1517, CTS4435, FGC1200, PF5663, CTS11431, FGC1286, FGC1292, FGC1264, CTS9703, FGC1290, CTS4831, PF7460, CTS10618, PF5571, CTS12114, CTS9717, FGC1291)
mtDNA: J1b1a1
Sample:
Coverage: 0.7
Mapped Reads: 37079898
Other IDs:
ENA Number: ERS3189353
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)



he was born in area in link below after isotope tests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia_and_Pontus
 
torzio said:
Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )
SI-42
Y-DNA: T1a-M70 (xCTS10577, CTS8051, FGC1272, FGC1249, CTS11626, CTS7001, CTS382, FGC1180, PF5521, CTS5499, CTS1599, FGC1517, CTS4435, FGC1200, PF5663, CTS11431, FGC1286, FGC1292, FGC1264, CTS9703, FGC1290, CTS4831, PF7460, CTS10618, PF5571, CTS12114, CTS9717, FGC1291)
mtDNA: J1b1a1
Sample:
Coverage: 0.7
Mapped Reads: 37079898
Other IDs:
ENA Number: ERS3189353
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)

he was born in area in link below after isotope tests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia_and_Pontus
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… that’s interesting, … It would be cool if the scientists did an isotope test on all samples ever published.
 
... that Haber study has another y T besides the SI-42 Sidon Crusader, ... QED2 a Roman Era T1a1... T-CTS9882 (T1a1a1b2b2b1a1a1) - mt T1
... QED-2 and QED-7 (Female mt HV1b) are 2nd or 3rd degree relatives.
 
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Salento said:
... that Haber study has another y T besides the SI-42 Sidon Crusader, ... QED2 a Roman Era T1a1... T-CTS9882 (T1a1a1b2b2b1a1a1) - mt T1
... QED-2 and QED-7 (Female mt HV1b) are 2nd or 3rd degree relatives.
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Qornet ed-Deir ( 1794 yBP - Roman )

QED-2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a1a1a1a1a-P77 (xT1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1a, T1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1b, T1a1a1a1a1a1a1a2)
mtDNA: T1
Sample:
Coverage: 1.31
Mapped Reads: 71266615
Other IDs:
ENA Number: ERS3189333
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)


https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(19)30111-9
 
On Yfull ..............below is the Reddick Knox line for T1a2

Peter Rettich 1681-1750.....from Gadernheim, Reichenbach, Bergstraße, Hesse, Germany
married
Anna Elizabeth Wiener 1678-1749

had son
Johannes Rettich also had spelling for surnames of Reddick and Radick b.1701 in Gadernheim, Reichenbach, Bergstraße, Hesse, Germany....died 1774 in USA
married
Maria Barbara Wolff ....born Germany and Died in USA

had son
Peter Reddick 1730-1815 born and died in Georgia USA
 
torzio said:
On Yfull ..............below is the Reddick Knox line for T1a2
Peter Rettich 1681-1750.....from Gadernheim, Reichenbach, Bergstraße, Hesse, Germany
married
Anna Elizabeth Wiener 1678-1749
had son
Johannes Rettich also had spelling for surnames of Reddick and Radick b.1701 in Gadernheim, Reichenbach, Bergstraße, Hesse, Germany....died 1774 in USA
married
Maria Barbara Wolff ....born Germany and Died in USA
had son
Peter Reddick 1730-1815 born and died in Georgia USA
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speculating … by looking only at his background, I believe that Peter wasn’t a fan of the Red Coats, he was obviously a Patriot :)
 
torzio said:
On Yfull ..............below is the Reddick Knox line for T1a2
Peter Rettich 1681-1750.....from Gadernheim, Reichenbach, Bergstraße, Hesse, Germany
married
Anna Elizabeth Wiener 1678-1749
had son
Johannes Rettich also had spelling for surnames of Reddick and Radick b.1701 in Gadernheim, Reichenbach, Bergstraße, Hesse, Germany....died 1774 in USA
married
Maria Barbara Wolff ....born Germany and Died in USA
had son
Peter Reddick 1730-1815 born and died in Georgia USA
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I have gone back to

Simon Retgen

Born in 1520 - Reichenbach, Bergstrasse, Hessen, Germany
Deceased in 1581 - Reichenbach, Bergstrasse, Hessen, Germany, aged 61 years old

as the oldest from this line
 
Salento said:
… that Hessian got Trumped by favorite y T Founding Father :)
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but the founding father is T1a1 ..................you are T1a2

the difference is the same as R1b is to R1a
 
torzio said:
but the founding father is T1a1 ..................you are T1a2
the difference is the same as R1b is to R1a
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You and I carry the same final clade, but we share a piece of our Y Chrome with all Ts, besides descending from the same Y T First Father Tribe.
 
:unsure: chrome Y is Immortal, as long as there are y Ts, a piece of First Father will live, though he almost didn't make it, something happened that caused our numbers to decline.
 
Another new T1a2 in Yfull under T-Z19945

YF105172 new T-BY102788
 
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