Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

[Salento]

My ftdna site ydna and BigY , has been changed from T-Z19945 to T-BY143483 ......a branch of Z19945

other branches under Z19945 are
CTS1848
and
FT62750

... ordered the B, not option to get the F, I’m negative for the C

 

[torzio]

... ordered the B, not option to get the F, I’m negative for the C

cryptic note.......no idea what you are saying

Gareth asked Ftdna to add BY143483 to the ftdna and BigY tree a week ago..............so I sit with a Pomeranian Pole and an ancient sardinian found in trentino italy

 

[torzio]

my new yreport ...............the negatives ( once in red ) are no longer shown in the report

 

[torzio]

@Torzio, how do you know Bernot was originally from Gorizia? I thought they were Belgians in the Spanish Netherlands that then went back to Spain with the army after the War of the Spanish Succession...

@Salento, I saw you had a Bezerra match on FTDNA - does it say where they are from?

To be complete, here are my Y matches on FTDNA:
12 markers
0 Rodrigues Pereira (might just be Pereira): Horta, Faial, Azores (T-M70)
-1 Curtiss: Stratford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
-1 Brooks: Startford, Connecticut, U.S. (T-BY64684)
-1 Costa: Ilha do Pico, Azores (T-M70)
-1 Jones (T-M70)
-1 Curtiss (related to above Curtiss)
-1 Jones: Charleston, SC (T-M70)
-1 Pret: Tres, Trentino (T-Z19945)
25 markers
-1 Rodrigues Pereira (T-M70)
-2 Costa (T-M70)
-2 Israel (T-M70)
-2 Frush (3) and Froshour (all T-M70)
-2 Lemas: Azores (T-M70)
37 markers
-4 Rodrigues Pereira (T-M70)

The closest individuals to me on the FTDNA T group are Rodrigues Pereira and the related (or multiple-tested) Bernot.

note that Brooks ( ancient surname was Brucke from Hanover germany ) and Curtiss are related back via 4 generations back and both are related the the frush and Froshour , German family line

I am split further apart from yourself with a pomerian Pole and an ancient Sardo/Trentino sample ........but the pole and I share links with the Brooks, Curtiss, Frush and Froshour family tree
The pole closer to them than myself by 2 extra snp's

 

[Huracan]

note that Brooks ( ancient surname was Brucke from Hanover germany ) and Curtiss are related back via 4 generations back and both are related the the frush and Froshour , German family line

I am split further apart from yourself with a pomerian Pole and an ancient Sardo/Trentino sample ........but the pole and I share links with the Brooks, Curtiss, Frush and Froshour family tree
The pole closer to them than myself by 2 extra snp's

What is this ancient Sardo/Trentino sample you speak of? Is it the Cagliari sample on Yfull #ERS256892?

 

[Salento]

My ftdna site ydna and BigY , has been changed from T-Z19945 to T-BY143483 ......a branch of Z19945

other branches under Z19945 are
CTS1848
and
FT62750

... ordered the B, not option to get the F, I’m negative for the C

If you look at the initials of the SNPs you posted and compare them to the single letters I posted You'll understand, Maybe!

 

[torzio]

What is this ancient Sardo/Trentino sample you speak of? Is it the Cagliari sample on Yfull #ERS256892?

yes

he is as per Yfull

ERS256892

T-BY143483

 

[torzio]

If you look at the initials of the SNPs you posted and compare them to the single letters I posted You'll understand, Maybe!

ok

I got the B for free

i am negative for the C and the F

 

[torzio]

Yfull has just given me a new branch under Z19945
with a Pole and an ancient trentino/South Tyrol sample
Because there are 3 different non family samples it has been accepted so it is
T - BY143483

id...YF71651 = N184890 in ftdna

 

[torzio]

all the branches breaking off from snp Z19945


Since FT62750 has the most private snp with it......I see in time further splits from it ....................but for mine , maybe only one or two split offs

 

[Huracan]

yes

he is as per Yfull

ERS256892

T-BY143483

I saw elsewhere on the forum that this sample was from the "Sardinia Study", does anyone know the paper or dataset the sample was reported?

 

[torzio]

I saw elsewhere on the forum that this sample was from the "Sardinia Study", does anyone know the paper or dataset the sample was reported?

Yes he is a sardinian

here is his positive snp that I could find
CTS10538, CTS9984, BY143483, CTS8862, Z1995, Z19944, Z19945, Z19946, Y26649, Z6596/FGC1069, M8990/S3846, M11810, PF6526, Y111, CTS8489, Z19949, Z19951, FGC28749, M8325, Z4924


he matches a Pole from Pomerania or Lublin
the pole snp
CTS10538, CTS9984, BY143483, CTS8862, Z19944, Z19953, Z19945, Z19946, Y26649, Z6596/FGC1069, M8990/S3846, M11810, PF6526, Y111, CTS8489, Z19949, Z19951, FGC28749, M8325, Z4924

both match myself ............


i cannot recall if it was this

Contu D, Morelli L, Santoni F, Foster JW, Francalacci P, Cucca F (2008). "Y-chromosome based evidence for pre-neolithic origin of the genetically homogeneous but diverse Sardinian population: inference for association scans". PLOS ONE.

or


Francalacci P, Morelli L, Angius A, Berutti R, Reinier F, Atzeni R, Pilu R, Busonero F, Maschio A, Zara I, Sanna D, Useli A, Urru MF, Marcelli M, Cusano R, Oppo M, Zoledziewska M, Pitzalis M, Deidda F, Porcu E, Poddie F, Kang HM, Lyons R, Tarrier B, Gresham JB, Li B, Tofanelli S, Alonso S, Dei M, Lai S, Mulas A, Whalen MB, Uzzau S, Jones C, Schlessinger D, Abecasis GR, Sanna S, Sidore C, Cucca F (2013). "Low-pass DNA sequencing of 1200 Sardinians reconstructs European Y-chromosome phylogeny".


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on another note
The pole matches closer to Brooks than myself in Yfull.......I am second, then Walloon person ( who states he is a NE Italian in the 15th century ), then the Sardo

The Pole stated to me that, his ancestors where in Germany and/or Netherlands in the 16th century ..................we have spoken on many occasions ............................we might match another in the future from either germany of Tchekia (Poland ) or did he say Czech

 

[Salento]

My ftdna site ydna and BigY , has been changed from T-Z19945 to T-BY143483 ......a branch of Z19945

other branches under Z19945 are
CTS1848
and
FT62750

... Results:

BY143483 G+ (Positive) !!!
Position 20996816

If the hierarchy is correct, I should be negative for FT62750 by default,

That makes BY143483 my new Final !!!

 

[torzio]

... Results:

BY143483 G+ (Positive) !!!
Position 20996816

If the hierarchy is correct, I should be negative for FT62750 by default,

That makes BY143483 my new Final !!!

Let Gareth know ...............he will then divide the ftdna branch we are in

 

[Salento]

Let Gareth know ...............he will then divide the ftdna branch we are in

... done ...

 

[torzio]

... done ...

Gareth has updated the ftdna T project

our line looks more and more central Europe ......Upper Rhine area or Upper Danube area ..............my guess .............knowing the Pole's ancestors ( who are not Poles ) as well as all other branches that shoot off Z19945

 

[Salento]

Gareth has updated the ftdna T project

our line looks more and more central Europe ......Upper Rhine area or Upper Danube area ..............my guess .............knowing the Pole's ancestors ( who are not Poles ) as well as all other branches that shoot off Z19945

We’ve been moved, we have our own spot

 

[torzio]

We’ve been moved, we have our own spot

I have contacted Alperjager about the tree ...............I think he works with Gareth

 

[Huracan]

@Salento to clarify, your paternal line was from where again? Lecce, Italy?

 

[Salento]

@Salento to clarify, your paternal line was from where again? Lecce, Italy?

Yes on a 5 km radius ... many generations, and we’re not aware of any other place.