Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

I recently checked the T Project on FTDNA and saw some new CTS8862 individuals:

133970 Meir Piwowicz, b.c. 1858, Tykocin, Poland (interesting because DYS390 is 21 instead of usual 22)
562486 unknown (clusters with you, so might actually be Z19945)
N164010 Greco (reappeared in my cluster with Lee)
N145191 unknown (my cluster with Lee)
N184890 unknown (my cluster with Lee)

They also grouped a whole bunch of previously mixed individuals with the Polish one into a huge CTS8862 group that includes a large Jewish component.
 
I'm going to assume that there are al least about 20 T CTS8862 related to me in the Province of Lecce in Puglia Italy.


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Salento said:
I'm going to assume that there are al least about 20 T CTS8862 related to me in the Province of Lecce in Puglia Italy.


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Fascinating, so we have more CTS8862 in Italy! Do you know any historical information on your paternal line?
 
I've seen burocatic documents from Paternal side going back up to 200+ years, and they were all born in the province of Lecce.
No Family Stories that point to other Places.
 
KFundora said:
I recently checked the T Project on FTDNA and saw some new CTS8862 individuals:

133970 Meir Piwowicz, b.c. 1858, Tykocin, Poland (interesting because DYS390 is 21 instead of usual 22)
562486 unknown (clusters with you, so might actually be Z19945)
N164010 Greco (reappeared in my cluster with Lee)
N145191 unknown (my cluster with Lee)
N184890 unknown (my cluster with Lee)

They also grouped a whole bunch of previously mixed individuals with the Polish one into a huge CTS8862 group that includes a large Jewish component.
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checked out #133970 , he and another with same marker, come from ancient Guttones lands of Poland, bordering old prussia

The Greek explorer Pytheas (4th century BC) may have referred to the territory as Mentenomon and to the inhabitants as Guttones (neighbours of the Teutones). A river to the east of the Vistula was called the Guttalus. ......................unsure if this was sarmatian lands or not
 
As for my T group ..T1a2 , the oldest link I have as per yfull is seen as the link via
T1a2b Y6033>CTS933>CTS54* Erzya-Bulgars/Macedonian group...............where Erzya, IIRC is in modern southern Russia.
although I have some west-asian, I have basically no Greek, iberian or north-africa/african genetic markers...........although I do have some Anatolian

The link with some Belgae/Walloons is best related that they are alpine/italic based on markers rather than my line originated from this low countries area.
 
Based on yfull test and the T tree

below is the only spot I fit

 
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@KF
Are you kit# N118478
if so you are noted as having cts1848 now
T1a2b Y6033>CTS933>CTS54>CTS8489>Z19945>CTS1848 Iberian
.
4 other cts1848 where processed 3 months ago , kits are
96359
93767
93761
93904
all are noted as
T1a2b Y6033>CTS933>CTS54>[CTS8489>Z19945>CTS1848]? Germany
.
and there is also another belgium
536211
T1a2b Y6033>CTS933>CTS54>CTS8489>Z19945>CTS1848 Belgium
.
all have 22 for DYS390
 
@kf

I ran the yfull plot for myself .....see below

All are T1a2 unless specified

 
Sile said:
@kf

I ran the yfull plot for myself .....see below

All are T1a2 unless specified

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I'm on the same Bracket with Kf, do you if I, or Levi are also effected?
 
Salento said:
I'm on the same Bracket with Kf, do you if I, or Levi are also effected?
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this is KF plots

the south Italy is kit # N4188 .............not sure who that is
I am unsure about Levi either............but he is from north England
 
Thank you Sile. :)
 
FTDNA has my Terminal snp as CTS8862, and negative PAGES00113, Y17493.
Also negative Y21204, Y7381, Y7438, and so on.
My FTDNA Y snp download file doesn't have Z19945 , but it does have CTS1848.
Is that a Prediction?
 
Salento said:
FTDNA has my Terminal snp as CTS8862, and negative PAGES00113, Y17493.
Also negative Y21204, Y7381, Y7438, and so on.
My FTDNA Y snp download file doesn't have Z19945 , but it does have CTS1848.
Is that a Prediction?
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if you are positive CTS1848, then you are positive for Z19945 and then your line is 500years younger than mine because Yfull has me as Z19945 with negative CTS1848
.
Negative known SNP are always older than positive ones
 
Thanks, I wasn't sure if FTDNA Y snp download file Report All snps or just the Positives.
 
Salento said:
Thanks, I wasn't sure if FTDNA Y snp download file Report All snps or just the Positives.
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Ftdna is behind in its tree..
..
here is KF
N118478 38 13 5 T1a2b Y6033>CTS933>CTS54>CTS8489>Z19945>CTS1848 Iberian
as noted by the yfull team .............and you are in the same group as KF IIRC
..
they have also found these new Z19945 people from about 2 months ago

I have no idea where the 5 digit kit numbers are from , ie, company
 
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