Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

T-CTS6071 is about 7000 ybp old, but the CL23-Man is 1310 -1380 ybp old.

Add more clades to go to T-CTS8862 that is about 3700 ybp old.

There’s a gap of about 3300 years between the 2 Clades.
 
T-CTS6071 is about 7000 ybp old, but the CL23-Man is 1310 -1380 ybp old.

Add more clades to go to T-CTS8862 that is about 3700 ybp old.

There’s a gap of about 3300 years between the 2 Clades.

Yes so this is significant as it actually confirms that L446 and CTS933 were present in Europe at this time and based on CL23's matching to Bell Beaker people, the clades were involved in the Neolithic spread from the Near East as well.

CTS933/CTS6071 formed 7,700 ybp (5750 BCE) | TMRCA 6,700 ybp (4750 BCE), which is within the range of expansion of Neolithic cultures into Europe. Its possible presence among the Bell Beaker means it was involved in this movement of peoples and cultural elements from Atlantic Europe eastward into the rest of Europe. Descendants of those that arrived in Italy (especially the Po Valley) would've included CL23? becoming the substrate of the "Roman" population that remained there through the Lombard invasion.

Based on online searches, not sure if this means CTS933 was involved in the Corded Ware too (which they say is the predecessor of Bell Beaker) in which case stems from the Yamna and ultimately supporting a Caucasus origin in a way (or it was picked up in SE Europe from the previous Neolithic substrate). Want to know what you all think about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaker_culture
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/neolithic_europe_map.shtml
 
my closest ancient matches in regards to samples
distance%: 0.16
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Germany_Medieval 21.41
Balkans_ChL 10.11
LBK_N 9.87
Lisakovskiy_MLBA_Alakul 9.63
Vinca_MN 7.14
Baltic_BA 5.68
Sweden_Viking_Age 5.28
Gonur1_BA 4.45
Sintashta_MLBA 4.15
Tisza_LN 4.07
LBK_N_Austria 3.83
Anatolia_MLBA_low_res 3.71
Italy_Medieval_Collegno 3.42
Cimmerian_Moldova 3.29
Scythian_Moldova 3.06
Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.91

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further breakdown using central european only samples from above
Here is a model that seemed OK with Lombards, Medieval Germans, and Scythians:
distance%: 0.65
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Scythian_Hungary_DA198 36.65
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL63 21.28
Germany_Medieval_STR_486 14.08
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL36 13.64
Scythian_Moldova_scy197 8.53
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL23 3.33
Scythian_Moldova_scy300 2.49
 
my closest ancient matches in regards to samples
distance%: 0.16
.
Germany_Medieval 21.41
Balkans_ChL 10.11
LBK_N 9.87
Lisakovskiy_MLBA_Alakul 9.63
Vinca_MN 7.14
Baltic_BA 5.68
Sweden_Viking_Age 5.28
Gonur1_BA 4.45
Sintashta_MLBA 4.15
Tisza_LN 4.07
LBK_N_Austria 3.83
Anatolia_MLBA_low_res 3.71
Italy_Medieval_Collegno 3.42
Cimmerian_Moldova 3.29
Scythian_Moldova 3.06
Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.91

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further breakdown using central european only samples from above
Here is a model that seemed OK with Lombards, Medieval Germans, and Scythians:
distance%: 0.65
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Scythian_Hungary_DA198 36.65
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL63 21.28
Germany_Medieval_STR_486 14.08
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL36 13.64
Scythian_Moldova_scy197 8.53
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL23 3.33
Scythian_Moldova_scy300 2.49

How did you do this? What calculator or site did you use?
 
How did you do this? What calculator or site did you use?

Its a 2 step process ...........I have to recheck who it was and what I paid...........then the one above was done for free ...............i have to get back to you
 
@Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
any thoughts?


LE1U7Do.jpg
 
@Sile nMonte3 EU 13...

The Bottom 2, old Illyrian - Messapic?
any thoughts?


LE1U7Do.jpg

Is RO romanian ?

I already submitted a paper which states Messapic was an east balkan language ............we need to find out who the Iapgians are as Measspic are Iapgian people of Italy
 
Yes it is. .....
The Iapygians lived in [FONT=&quot]Puglia, [/FONT]and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.
 
The hierarchy in letters of the SNPs maybe is changing because NEW Z19859 is above L131.

M70 - T1a
—L162 - T1a1
-—Z19859 - T..???
-——L131 - was/is T1a2???
———L1255 -was/is T1a3???

I was given
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T - M184
T1 - L206
T1a - M70
T1a1 - Z19859
T1a1b - L131 ..........old T1a2
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The T1a1a branch is L162
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T1a3 is to become T1a2
 
EU 13 DnaPortal, nMonte3 Oracle.
thanks.....completely forgot about this site
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Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.6536449
Tuscan 1.0947434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
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Population Value
North_Italian 46.6
Tuscan 10.6
RO 5.6
French_Basque 3.8
Sardinian 3.6
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I presume they got the galician from french Basque
 
Could it be that RO is the common connection to Illyria?
 
Could it be that RO is the common connection to Illyria?

linguistically , yes

romanian = dacians ...............before changing to Latin language, their language was a mix of thracian and illyrian coming from the proto- celtic-italic-illyrian-dacian-thracian group ( I have already placed some info about this a few months ago )

try searching .....what did the dacians speak before Latin
 
another who is Z19945

Wilhelm Wolff,
Birthdate: November 21, 1627
Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

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in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results
 
another who is Z19945

Wilhelm Wolff,
Birthdate: November 21, 1627
Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

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in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results

You just reminded me to check my FTDNA and after a year I've finally found my first 37 marker match! Eek - not the same surname... I think that's normal for Ashkenazim right? From 23andme I at least know both my bio parents are who they say they are, but maybe that isn't the case further down the male line?
 
You just reminded me to check my FTDNA and after a year I've finally found my first 37 marker match! Eek - not the same surname... I think that's normal for Ashkenazim right? From 23andme I at least know both my bio parents are who they say they are, but maybe that isn't the case further down the male line?

Are you y T?
 
another who is Z19945

Wilhelm Wolff,
Birthdate: November 21, 1627
Birthplace: Baden-Württemberg, Germany

his line appears as Johan Wolf in the T ftdna

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in facebook, they have matched me with a norwegian line of Fure-Hessenes family, they have been dna tested as T-M70 ............I will await results

Great to see more Z19945 individuals are being identified. Is Wolf in the Y-DNA T group results page? I do not see him among us...
 

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