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    EU Enlargement and Russia: Possible Marriage?



    Russia has become a hot topic these days due to the events of Crimea. Although these are clearly sad events in our modern history as a continent, one has to account that Russia has played an important role in shaping Europe's history and it is considered a part of it, partially because of land, but also because of its civilization. Therefore I was wondering if Russia will ever become a member or EU in the (probably far) future.

    What are your thoughts about that? Would you like Russia in or out?

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    Eventually it will happen but Russia is far from being ready at the moment.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    I agree with LeBrok, it will eventually but it will take many many more years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    Russia has become a hot topic these days due to the events of Crimea. Although these are clearly sad events in our modern history as a continent, one has to account that Russia has played an important role in shaping Europe's history and it is considered a part of it, partially because of land, but also because of its civilization. Therefore I was wondering if Russia will ever become a member or EU in the (probably far) future.

    What are your thoughts about that? Would you like Russia in or out?
    Your question itself shows the difference between mentality of the so-called Europeans and Russians. From Russian point of view the EU can become a part of Russia but not otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloomyGonzales View Post
    Your question itself shows the difference between mentality of the so-called Europeans and Russians. From Russian point of view the EU can become a part of Russia but not otherwise.
    We'll put GG, this is another reason why it won't happen any time soon. A different vision, different goals, a different mind set at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    We'll put GG, this is another reason why it won't happen any time soon. A different vision, different goals, a different mind set at the moment.
    It looks like you do not know European history. When Russia switches in expansion mode you'll see how the history repeats again. I guess in 50-100 years Russia will completely incorporate and absorb the present day EU members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloomyGonzales View Post
    It looks like you do not know European history. When Russia switches in expansion mode you'll see how the history repeats again. I guess in 50-100 years Russia will completely incorporate and absorb the present day EU members.
    I'm glad you opened up. It shows to the world that Ukrainians are right to be afraid of Russia and russian mind set and look for protection to the EU and NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'm glad you opened up. It shows to the world that Ukrainians are right to be afraid of Russia and russian mind set and look for protection to the EU and NATO.
    Ha-ha-ha. So when the EU incorporates and absorbs countries it's always for the good but when Russia does it it's always for the bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloomyGonzales View Post
    Ha-ha-ha. So when the EU incorporates and absorbs countries it's always for the good but when Russia does it it's always for the bad.
    Yes, by force is bad, by choice is good. And for that reason Russia lost many countries from it's Union (Soviet Union included) and EU gained. Perhaps for russian mindset it is the same thing, but not to the free world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Yes, by force is bad, by choice is good. And for that reason Russia lost many countries from it's Union (Soviet Union included) and EU gained. Perhaps for russian mindset it is the same thing, but not to the free world.
    Don't ascribe to me your thoughts. I have never claimed that any countries would be incorporated in Russia (Custom Union) by force.

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    I heard EU is afraid that Russia becomes part of the EU. 1) Because Russia is too huge. 2) Too strong organized crime (Воры в законе ) in Russia. 1 + 2 = too much anarchy in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloomyGonzales View Post
    Don't ascribe to me your thoughts. I have never claimed that any countries would be incorporated in Russia (Custom Union) by force.
    Who wants to join Russian Union hands up! Right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Who wants to join Russian Union hands up! Right...
    And again you have proved that you know nothing about Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    Russia has become a hot topic these days due to the events of Crimea. Although these are clearly sad events in our modern history as a continent, one has to account that Russia has played an important role in shaping Europe's history and it is considered a part of it, partially because of land, but also because of its civilization. Therefore I was wondering if Russia will ever become a member or EU in the (probably far) future.

    What are your thoughts about that? Would you like Russia in or out?

    I do not think European Union is actually good for all European people,is clearly good for Germany,Austria.
    Is not good clearly for Spain,Greece,Romania.
    Is true that is a lot of corruption in Greece and Romania,but in Spain is not and Spain have worst situation from European Union,as un-employment,while most poor from European Union are Romanians.
    For Eastern and South European people European Union seems to not be good .
    Take for example Montenegro who already got Euro as currency,European Union leaders are refusing to receive Montenegro in EU.
    Greece was a very rich country,with a very high standard of living,before entering EU,now they got a lot more poor.
    In Romania,we even got hospitals closing because lack of funds,railroads,no money to maintain them anymore,train got to run with average speed of 40 km/h or even worse in same parts were before was running with about 80km or more average speed...
    Besides,I noticed that is a lot of racism against Asian people in European Union,against East and North and Central Asian people,more exactly,middle-eastern are well received into EU,same about Indians and Pakistanis.
    And Russia got a lot of North Asian,Central Asian people,with slanted eyes,which are considered by most Europeans savages and so on.
    So I think with how actual Europeans are thinking,it would not be good for Russia people to enter EU.
    Is true,I do not like Putin too much either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'm glad you opened up. It shows to the world that Ukrainians are right to be afraid of Russia and russian mind set and look for protection to the EU and NATO.
    Lol.
    People from West Ukraine do not like Putin and the people he put as leaders of Russia.
    They do not have something against Russians,in fact,there is a significant number of Russians in West Ukraine also.
    For example Kiev got 13% of the population composed of Russians:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev#Ethnic_composition
    I am pretty sure that between the protesters from EuroMaidan there were also Russians.
    At Muzychko funerals,that great patriot nationalist,was also Russian people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloomyGonzales View Post
    Your question itself shows the difference between mentality of the so-called Europeans and Russians. From Russian point of view the EU can become a part of Russia but not otherwise.
    The EU = European Union which is a group of countries in a Union, on the other hand Russia is a country so its Russia that would have to join the Union. Its like saying the European union Joined Croatia. If it was the Soviet Union it would have been a different story I guess. It would two unions emerging in one

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloomyGonzales View Post
    And again you have proved that you know nothing about Russia.
    It looks like you do not know European history.
    Just because I live in Canada? What a immaculate logic, lol, it is too far to know anything about Europe and Russia. The only thing you proved is how much you love to exaggerate.

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    Russia would dominate the EU and the US would discourage it as the combined Russia and EU would surpass the US.

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    the Russian Federation and the CIS is not as ceu an association of states but is a feudal and dictate which subjects countries breakers economically or physically as to the Crimea that Crimea is Russian is a nonsense look and a Russian are viewing a true inhabitant of Crimea and the truth explodes showing imperialist scam Russian leader and anti-democratic.
    QED!
    So therefore, I voted NO!

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    Voted No, not interested to clean German toilets or collect berries in Swedish forests like new "Eastern Europeans" & Balts do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton, Bear's den View Post
    Voted No, not interested to clean German toilets or collect berries in Swedish forests like new "Eastern Europeans" & Balts do
    "Red Bear" strong here :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Just because I live in Canada? What a immaculate logic, lol, it is too far to know anything about Europe and Russia. The only thing you proved is how much you love to exaggerate.
    Ha-ha-ha. You are one of the most illogical persons I've ever met. You know nothing about Russia and European history not coz you are Canadian (in fact I do not give a shit where you are from) but simply coz you have zero knowledge in these subjects. It's simple like this. You think that you have some expertise in these subjects but in fact you do not but still trying to pretend to be an expert.

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    How ironic Putin is making look the EU and NATO not a bad idea after all. We should probably thank him with flowers for this.

    Ha-ha-ha. So when the EU incorporates and absorbs countries it's always for the good but when Russia does it it's always for the bad.
    Well, it's not about if, but how you "invite" them, with a sharp knife on the throat... really?! That's not nice... if you wonder why nobody wants to be friends with Putin anymore, this might be the reason. Even the Chinese were not amused behind the doors about the Ukraine situation - they might not vote against it, but they were certainly not agreeing with this aggression.

    Putin might win now, but lets see how long it takes that Russia has repaired the damage it has done in the international arena. To clean up the dust of this fall out will take a looooooooong time, the EU and the US will not forget this easily and they will be much better prepared the next time.

    I wonder who will ever replace Putin, (probably someone from his FSB friends) if he doesn't find a successor you will end up with a 90 year old grumpy president that won't let go of politics... that's really sad.
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    It looks like you do not know European history. When Russia switches in expansion mode you'll see how the history repeats again. I guess in 50-100 years Russia will completely incorporate and absorb the present day EU members.
    Well, lets see, I am pretty confident that will not happen.

    A different scenario is more likely, the annexation of the Krim is a sign of political failure to make Ukraine an ally, by forcing the Ukraine to give up the Krim, it lost its influence at least in the west of the Ukraine.

    By that time you referring to Russia has probably big internal problems and all its Eurasian allies( Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Armenia etc) will not listen to the music of the Kreml anymore. And that is something Putin is really scared of. If Russia continuous to bully its neighbouring countries it will loose more and more allies and partners.
    It might get driven in the arms of China...and not sure how that relationship will turn out especially considering the territories in the East of Russia.

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