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    People of the Appennino Reggiano



    This woman was already posted on another thread:

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    These are others...sorry if I only have a partial view for some...If you click on the picture, it should enlarge.
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    These are more "modern" people:




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    Is this the so called Alpine-Dinaric phenotype?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    Is this the so called Alpine-Dinaric phenotype?
    I don't know exactly how most of these people would be "classified"...that's why I'm posting the photos...I'm a total newcomer to this classification business.

    What Moesan posted makes sense to me, however. I could see saying that there is a "Dinaric" strain in some of these people, but I don't see it in the first woman I posted. (NL) Nordic/Nordid (I'm still trying to "see" the precise difference) and Alpine make sense for her. I can see the Alpine definitely in most of these people, stronger in some than in others. And some also show a Mediterranean strain.






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    Some others...





    Two different types, but both totally typical...






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    Ed. Sorry, these were personal fotos that didn't post.
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    Some of your figures cannot be seen Angela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I don't know exactly how most of these people would be "classified"...that's why I'm posting the photos...I'm a total newcomer to this classification business.

    What Moesan posted makes sense to me, however. I could see saying that there is a "Dinaric" strain in some of these people, but I don't see it in the first woman I posted. (NL) Nordic/Nordid (I'm still trying to "see" the precise difference) and Alpine make sense for her. I can see the Alpine definitely in most of these people, stronger in some than in others. And some also show a Mediterranean strain.





    These people are most likely Northen Italians, maybe mixed with German genes, especially the young women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    These people are most likely Northen Italians, maybe mixed with German genes, especially the young women.
    What else could they be but Northern Italians...the title of the thread is "People of the Appennino Reggiano"...in other words, people of the Apennine Mountains south of Reggio nell' Emilia...actually, the mountains south of Reggio nell' Emilia and into the Appennino Parmense south of Parma. These are my father's people.



    Most of them can trace their ancestors through church records back to the 1500's and beyond to the same set of mountain villages.

    German is not a classification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    What else could they be but Northern Italians...the title of the thread is "People of the Appennino Reggiano"...in other words, people of the Apennine Mountains south of Reggio Emilia...actually, the mountains south of Reggio Emilia and into the Appennino Parmense south of Parma. These are my father's people.



    Most of them can trace their ancestors through church records back to the 1500's and beyond to the same set of mountain villages.

    German is not a classification.
    How do you call Germans then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    How do you call Germans then?
    I don't classify people...I don't know enough about it yet. From what I have read some Germans are Nordic, some are Noric, some are Alpine, and some fall into other classifications. I'm by no means an expert.

    These groupings formed from population movements far back into pre-history.

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    If an administrator should happen to read this post...could my attachments from post number 3 be retrieved? I don't know what happened to them.








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    These will only be up for a short time...
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    These are two more of the private ones...
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    Here are a few more public pictures I won't have to take down. The attachments that were in post 3 appear to be gone...
    The first three are politicians, and the third is a local artist...







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    I do get what a poster wrote about there being a certain Vanessa Redgrave like quality to some of the women, in particular, including the height. (I'm thinking of this girl and the ones in post number 5 as well as others I've posted before.) No doubt Franco Nero found Vanessa Redgrave familiar looking, as he came from San Prospero, a small town between Parma and Reggio Emilia, although in the valley :)



    This is Vanessa Redgrave...




    And this is Franco Nero for those who don't remember him..I preferred him in Camelot, myself.


    And for good measure, here is the director Bernardo Bertolucci, whose family came from the exact same town as Franco Nero...

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    I Know what ecatleus meant; they seem all very central european looking;
    this is nothing strange in italy; there can be places where this look is more common. And other places more mediterranean.. We are very diverse. A place very medit. In north Italy is Ferrara-po delta-rovigo i was there and the people were for sure autoctonous in majority

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    [QUOTE=Angela;429605]These are more "modern" people:



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    this young man looks more western European (common in Germany and surroundings, even in Scandinavia): he shows according to me (!) a good cromagnon heritage on the way to partial brachycephally: parallele of the 'alpinization' process, but keeping more bony face compared to genuine COMMON 'alpine' type,: it's to say: the 'borreby' A model, with round almost vertical forehead, NO apparent 'brünnoid' features - maybe from Italics but I doubt this type was dominant among them, lacks some 'mediterranean' and 'dinaroid' traits: surely enough more incorporated in a Celtic or Ligurian population before latinization (it could be confirmed by the geographical localization)- just bets

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    [QUOTE=MOESAN;429892]
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    These are more "modern" people:



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    this young man looks more western European (common in Germany and surroundings, even in Scandinavia): he shows according to me (!) a good cromagnon heritage on the way to partial brachycephally: parallele of the 'alpinization' process, but keeping more bony face compared to genuine COMMON 'alpine' type,: it's to say: the 'borreby' A model, with round almost vertical forehead, NO apparent 'brünnoid' features - maybe from Italics but I doubt this type was dominant among them, lacks some 'mediterranean' and 'dinaroid' traits: surely enough more incorporated in a Celtic or Ligurian population before latinization (it could be confirmed by the geographical localization)- just bets
    He's Giuliano Razzoli, Italian gold medalist in the slalom.



    And you can tell from his hat where he's from! He was born in a village a few kilometers from where my father was born. It's not at all an uncommon look there. I told you we harbored some "Cro-Magnon" types up there. What you say about it forming part of the "Ligure" gene pool makes sense to me. Cavalli-Sforza thought these mountains and the Appennino Ligure served as a refuge area for them.

    In the plains, and even in the mountains to some extent, that genetic "strain" has mixed with Mediterranean and/or "Dinaric" (?) to produce people who look like Luca Toni...Does that make sense?
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    If you want the technical term used by anthropologists to describe many of the looks I see here, you'd want "Subnordid", which is a Nordid type that is prevalent around the Alps region and differs slightly from Nordid types of further north in that it has higher Alpine components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oreo_cookie View Post
    If you want the technical term used by anthropologists to describe many of the looks I see here, you'd want "Subnordid", which is a Nordid type that is prevalent around the Alps region and differs slightly from Nordid types of further north in that it has higher Alpine components.
    Anthropologists don't use anymore these terms.

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    I can't believe all of those attachments are gone.

    Tilde Lotti: Partisan, Communist Party Leader, Politician. She's a dead ringer for my father's mother...also a fearsome, but admirable woman.



    Zucchero (Adelmo Fornacciari) is from Reggio Emilia, of course, although from the town so far as I know. He certainly has a look found in the mountains, though. We feel he's quite one of us, as he was born right over the mountains, and then raised in Forte dei Marmi. He came back to live in the area, having a home in Pontremoli. He can often be seen out and about, he and his daughter Irene.





    See, this is what I was talking about on the other thread... the face shape, jaw line, chin, cheekbones, and in this case even the forehead. It's not at all uncommon in this part of Italy...Irene looks almost exactly like one of my cousins, except my cousin had copper red hair. It's my face too, just softened, thank God, with my mother's nose and very dark hair and eyes. (I also don't have all those freckles, double thank God, although Irene, lucky girl, doesn't seem to have such a big, flattish skull, and she has larger eyes. )

    Am I nuts, or is there indeed a slight resemblance to Wynnona Judd?

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    My great-grandmother was from Montefiorino, a village in the tosco-emilian appennine, province of Modena. She looked like some of the people posted in this thread. Other individuals from that area:
    Giovanni Lindo Ferretti, author and songwriter
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    Vasco Rossi, a very popular singer in Italy
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    Caterina Caselli, another singer, here in her young age (that area is full of musicians...!)
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    You're right...lots and lots of musicians and singers. That whole triangle from Genova to Emilia down to Toscana has produced so much of Italian music, I think. Look at our opera as just one example...Parma and Lucca. Even in personal life it's very important. I don't think it's a coincidence that La Scala is one of the most difficult opera houses in the world in which to perform. They're all critics.

    The Appennino Reggiano again[IMG][/IMG]:


    Here are some from the Appennino Parmense. (I really should have included that in the title.) I've never seen much difference between them and the people of the Appennino Reggiano. They've intermarried a lot over the years.


    We do have some pretty hideous skull shapes showing up...I get to say that, because they're my people.



    Some beautiful, darker varieties too, if one of the Parma blogs I read is correct. I don't know about the maternal line. No matter, I'm going to claim him anyway!


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