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Karsdorf Map
Karsdorf Burial settlement T1a.jpg
Malak Preslavets Map
Malak Preslavets ( Cris Culture ) Map.jpg
Last edited by Alpenjager; 13-05-17 at 21:32.
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có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo
when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.
The T1a1a individuals from Malak Preslavets are found to be the most EHG+WHG from the Balkans in the Early Neolithic = 35%
The less EHG+WHG found in Malak Preslavets is a G2a2b2a individual = 0%
Was this malak town a trade centre?................it was on the danube river and it was also a boat building town
The M70 mutation is particularly interesting because it only represents roughly 1% of chromosomes world-wide. It is, although, most common in east Africa and the Middle east. Thomas Jefferson's T-PF7444 is particularly interesting because it has a one-step match with an egyptian T haplotype. This is consistent with Jefferson's patrilineage belonging to an ancient and rare indigenous european type. M70 was identified in the Welsh Jefferson's DNA and in British (2/421 0.5%), Western French ( 3/561 0.5%) and Iberian Peninsula samples ( 13/987 1.3%). The haplogroup is rare world-wide, in 14,685 chromosomes in the literature, only 150 examples (1.02%) were found. Apart from 12 cases from non-indigenous populations of the USA, the samples are confined to Africa and western Eurasia. They reach their highest frequencies in the Middle East and Northern east Africa, exceeding 7% of the male population in Somalia, Oman, Egypt and Iraq. Samples were also found at a lower frequency in the central and western Mediterranean, including the Iberian Peninsula. Other high frequencies are reported in Druze, Palestinian, Ethiopian and Tanzanian samples (roughly 5%). Of 421 British males surveyed, only 0.5% were M70+. In a phylogenetic network, the "Thomas Jefferson" haplotype lies at the periphery of the network: It's nearest (one mutational step) genetic neighbour is an Egyptian, while spanish/portuguese haplotypes lie only 2 steps away. This seems compatible with the British examples, including the Jefferson haplotype, as being members of an ancient and diverse indigenous european lineage, rather than recent immigrants from the middle east. If there was no prior family history knowledge about the ancestry of the Jefferson paternal haplotype, it might be assigned to an Egyptian origin. This is consistent with T-PF7444, or a major part of this cluster as having Hispanic/ North-african roots. The presence of the Jefferson M70 haplotype in these apparently unrelated British men supports the general idea that the President's RECENT paternal ancestry is in Western Europe, rather than the middle east. In a separate study, 3 to 6 mutational step ancestors of the Jefferson haplotype were found in 7 Jews from different countries, 5 Egyptians, 2 Europeans, 1 Turk, 1 Syrian, 1 Jordanian and an African-American.
Last edited by patrician; 27-05-17 at 05:28.
WHG / EHG percentages in Malak Preslavets settlement
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do you have the gedmatch ID for these samples?
Father's Mtdna H95a1
Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
Mother's YDna R1a-Z282
Their genomes have not been released yet.
Mesolithic and Early Neolithic samples from Europe with Scandinavian HG + Ukrainian HG + Aegean Farmer autosomal combination.
This autosomal combination is found exclusively among ancient populations found around the Danube river.
Also interesting to note the haplogroups found with this combination are R1b-V88, C1a2-V20 and T1a1a-L208. Curiously, R1b-V88 as well as T1a1a-L208 are both the lineages that migrated strongly deep into Africa, across the Sahel both and across all East Africa the last.
Also remember that both have been found among the Tubus of Chad, who were found to be strongly related to a LBK-like ancestral population.
Also I added the two samples with highest frequencies for both HG populations when combined with Aegean Farmer.
Balkan HG vs Aegean Farmer.png
Last edited by Alpenjager; 15-08-17 at 16:15.
what does all the percentages mean for this bulgarian site on the danube river ?
This is what I have posted in a link above. These percentages belong to the Balkan Hunter-Gatherer autosomal ancestry in each of those ancient individuals.
Do you see any association between these bulgarians T and the Karlsdorf German T ?
Yes Sile, I'm pretty sure that Karsdorf T1a1 and Malak Preslavets T1a1a are closely related, belonging both to the same L208 branch.
I have previously predicted this Balkan HG link several years ago.
Some regions of Southern Germany has haplogroup T frequency at 10%. It's part of the spread of Neolithic farming along with other Neoltihic specific haplgoup: E, J,G
You forgot I1, I2, C1a2, H2 and even R1b-V88. All of them are found among early farmers.
Anyway, most of them is still unclear how and when they became farmers. T1a, I1, R1b-V88 have not been found among any non-european early farmer population.
I2 is found among aegean early farmers just like G2a2, H2, C1a2 and J2.
Sile, I took a look into all of this again and I think there are two most strongly candidates to be related to Karsdorf and MalakP samples.
One of both, T1a1a1b1a-PF7443 or T1a1a1a1b1a1-Y3782, is the most likely candidate to be involved in these two settlements.
Thanks
Has the ancient samples in south germany , once thought to be E haplogroup and lately stated as 4 x T haplogroup been studied yet?
T1a/T M70 in Europe according to Nat Geno 2.0 Helix:
Branch: M70
Age: 19,250 – 33,750 Years Ago.
Location of Origin: West Asia.
"In Europe, this branch contributes to between 5 and 17 percent of Sicilian male lineages. It is about 5 percent of male lineages in mainland Italy. It varies between 3 and 24 percent of male lineages in Germany."
Last edited by Salento; 25-08-17 at 12:37.
Do you have the link to the haplotype markers? I lost it. I think them have not been further studied.
It is in the paper you supplied me
Results of I0700 and I1108 in GEDmatch:
T1a1a I0700 of Malak Preslavets 7550 ± 200 yBP
Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions
Neolithic Balkan Farmers-----------41%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-----------26%
Afansievo-Yamnaya-------------------19%
Early European Farmers-------------13%
Others-------------------------------------1-3%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 HungaryGamba_BA2 11.88
Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------47%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------21%
CaucasusHG-EEF-------------------------------17%
EastHG---------------------------------------------16%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Europe_MNChL 27.31
T1a1a I1108 of Malak Preslavets 7550 ± 200 yBP
Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions
Neolithic Balkan Farmers---------40%
Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------28%
Early European Farmers-----------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------14%
Others-------------------------------------1-3%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bell_Beaker_LN1 8.06
Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------43%
CaucasusHG-EEF--------------------------------25%
EastHG-----------------------------------------------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG--------------------14%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 21.52
Last edited by Alpenjager; 27-03-18 at 08:04.
T1a1a I0795 of Karsdorf 7079 ± 88
Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions
Neolithic Balkan Farmers---------65%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------30%
Siberian-----------------------------4%
Early European Farmers-----------2%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Nordic_MN 8.86
Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic----------------71%
CaucasusHG-EEF---------------------------20%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------9%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Stuttgart-----15.17
T1a1a I0797 of Karsdorf 7125 ± 325
Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions
Neolithic Balkan Farmers----------69%
SW_Asian----------------------------10%
East African-------------------------10%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG----------5%
Afansievo-Yamnaya----------------3%
Early European Farmers-----------2%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 HungaryGamba_EN8----18.73
Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-----------------57%
NatufianHG----------------------------------17%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------14%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------10%
Iran Neolithic--------------------------------3%
Others----------------------------------------1%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Stuttgart---------13.9
Last edited by Alpenjager; 27-03-18 at 10:00.
T1a1a stages
From Malak Preslavets (7550 ± 200 yBP) to Karsdorf (7079 ± 88 // 7125 ± 325)
Decreasing (most ancient linked-components of T1a1a):
- Afansievo-Yamnaya (EastHG+CaucasusHG)
- Early European Farmers
Not clear yet:
= ScandinavianHG-WestHG
Increasing (most recently additioned components of T1a1a):
+ Neolithic Balkan Farmers
Last edited by Alpenjager; 27-03-18 at 10:10.
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