Haplogroup in T in Germany?

You forgot I1, I2, C1a2, H2 and even R1b-V88. All of them are found among early farmers.
Anyway, most of them is still unclear how and when they became farmers. T1a, I1, R1b-V88 have not been found among any non-european early farmer population.
I2 is found among aegean early farmers just like G2a2, H2, C1a2 and J2.
 
Sile, I took a look into all of this again and I think there are two most strongly candidates to be related to Karsdorf and MalakP samples.
One of both, T1a1a1b1a-PF7443 or T1a1a1a1b1a1-Y3782, is the most likely candidate to be involved in these two settlements.
 
Alpenjager said:
Sile, I took a look into all of this again and I think there are two most strongly candidates to be related to Karsdorf and MalakP samples.
One of both, T1a1a1b1a-PF7443 or T1a1a1a1b1a1-Y3782, is the most likely candidate to be involved in these two settlements.
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Thanks

Has the ancient samples in south germany , once thought to be E haplogroup and lately stated as 4 x T haplogroup been studied yet?
 
T1a/T M70 in Europe according to Nat Geno 2.0 Helix:
Branch: M70
Age: 19,250 – 33,750 Years Ago.
Location of Origin: West Asia.

"In Europe, this branch contributes to between 5 and 17 percent of Sicilian male lineages. It is about 5 percent of male lineages in mainland Italy. It varies between 3 and 24 percent of male lineages in Germany."
 
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Sile said:
Thanks

Has the ancient samples in south germany , once thought to be E haplogroup and lately stated as 4 x T haplogroup been studied yet?
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Do you have the link to the haplotype markers? I lost it. I think them have not been further studied.
 
Alpenjager said:
Do you have the link to the haplotype markers? I lost it. I think them have not been further studied.
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It is in the paper you supplied me
 
Results of I0700 and I1108 in GEDmatch:


T1a1a I0700 of Malak Preslavets 7550 ± 200 yBP

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Neolithic Balkan Farmers-----------41%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-----------26%
Afansievo-Yamnaya-------------------19%
Early European Farmers-------------13%
Others-------------------------------------1-3%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 HungaryGamba_BA2 11.88

Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------47%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------21%
CaucasusHG-EEF-------------------------------17%
EastHG---------------------------------------------16%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Europe_MNChL 27.31


T1a1a I1108 of Malak Preslavets 7550 ± 200 yBP

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Neolithic Balkan Farmers---------40%
Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------28%
Early European Farmers-----------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------14%
Others-------------------------------------1-3%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bell_Beaker_LN1 8.06

Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------43%
CaucasusHG-EEF--------------------------------25%
EastHG-----------------------------------------------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG--------------------14%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 21.52
 
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T1a1a I0795 of Karsdorf 7079 ± 88

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Neolithic Balkan Farmers---------65%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------30%
Siberian-----------------------------4%
Early European Farmers-----------2%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Nordic_MN 8.86

Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic----------------71%
CaucasusHG-EEF---------------------------20%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------9%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Stuttgart-----15.17




T1a1a I0797 of Karsdorf 7125 ± 325

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Neolithic Balkan Farmers----------69%
SW_Asian----------------------------10%
East African-------------------------10%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG----------5%
Afansievo-Yamnaya----------------3%
Early European Farmers-----------2%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 HungaryGamba_EN8----18.73
Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-----------------57%
NatufianHG----------------------------------17%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------14%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------10%
Iran Neolithic--------------------------------3%
Others----------------------------------------1%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Stuttgart---------13.9
 
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T1a1a stages

From Malak Preslavets (7550 ± 200 yBP) to Karsdorf (7079 ± 88 // 7125 ± 325)

Decreasing (most ancient linked-components of T1a1a):
- Afansievo-Yamnaya (EastHG+CaucasusHG)
- Early European Farmers

Not clear yet:
= ScandinavianHG-WestHG

Increasing (most recently additioned components of T1a1a):
+ Neolithic Balkan Farmers
 
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T1b

T1b I1707 of 'Ain Ghazal 9573 ± 39

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Neolithic Balkan Farmers----------50%
SW_Asian----------------------------30%
Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------7%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-----------5%
Papuan--------------------------------5%
SE_Asian------------------------------4%
Early European Farmers-------------1%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 HungaryGamba_EN8--------27.5


Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-----------------57%
NatufianHG----------------------------------24%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------13%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-------------------4%
Others----------------------------------------0-2%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Stuttgart---------18.48
 
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Mesolithic and Neolithic samples in the eastern Balkans.

Mesolithic - Neolithic Balkan samplesII.jpg
 
T1a3a1a1a1a-Y13279

T1a3a1a1a1a DA125 of Ancient Eurasian Steppe ( Used SNPs in GEDmatch: 147443 )

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------48%
Neolithic Balkan Farmers----------20%
Early European Farmers-------------18%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-----------7%
S_Amerindian----------------------- -4%
Siberian--------------------------------2%
Kalash---------------------------------1%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Andronovo_BA3--------7.33


Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

East European HG--------------------------30%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------18%
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-----------------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-------------------13%
Iran Neolithic---------------------------------10%
Polar--------------------------------------------5%
NatufianHG-------------------------------------3%
Others-------------------------------------------0-3%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Steppe_IA---------18.94



T1a3a1a1a1a-Y13279

T1a3a1a1a1a DA125 of Ancient Eurasian Steppe ( Used SNPs in GEDmatch: 217859 ) Ted Kandell Upload

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------28%
Early European Farmers-------------27%
South Asian---------------------------12%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-------------8%
S_Amerindian---------------------------6%
Neolithic Balkan Farmers--------------5%
Siberian----------------------------------5%
SubSaharan------------------------------4%
Kalash-------------------------------------2%
Southwest Asian--------------------------2%

Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1RISE_baSca18.57


Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

East European HG--------------------------21%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------22%
Iran Neolithic---------------------------------15%
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-------------------9%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG--------------------8%
Ancestral Indian-------------------------------7%
Polar--------------------------------------------6%
Siberian-----------------------------------------6%
SubSaharan-------------------------------------3%
NatufianHG--------------------------------------2%
Others-------------------------------------------0-3%

Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1Tajik19.48
 
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T1a3a1a1a1a-Y13279

T1a3a1a1a1a DA125 of Ancient Eurasian Steppe ( Used SNPs in GEDmatch: 147443 )

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------48%
Neolithic Balkan Farmers----------20%
Early European Farmers-------------18%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-----------7%
S_Amerindian----------------------- -4%
Siberian--------------------------------2%
Kalash---------------------------------1%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Andronovo_BA3--------7.33


Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

East European HG--------------------------30%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------18%
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-----------------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-------------------13%
Iran Neolithic---------------------------------10%
Polar--------------------------------------------5%
NatufianHG-------------------------------------3%
Others-------------------------------------------0-3%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Steppe_IA---------18.94



T1a3a1a1a1a-Y13279

T1a3a1a1a1a DA125 of Ancient Eurasian Steppe ( Used SNPs in GEDmatch: 217859 ) Ted Kandell Upload

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------28%
Early European Farmers-------------27%
South Asian---------------------------12%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-------------8%
S_Amerindian---------------------------6%
Neolithic Balkan Farmers--------------5%
Siberian----------------------------------5%
SubSaharan------------------------------4%
Kalash-------------------------------------2%
Southwest Asian--------------------------2%

Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1RISE_baSca18.57


Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

East European HG--------------------------21%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------22%
Iran Neolithic---------------------------------15%
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-------------------9%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG--------------------8%
Ancestral Indian-------------------------------7%
Polar--------------------------------------------6%
Siberian-----------------------------------------6%
SubSaharan-------------------------------------3%
NatufianHG--------------------------------------2%
Others-------------------------------------------0-3%

Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1Tajik19.48
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Mtdna is U2e2a
 
Interesting. That's my mtDna. (U2e2a)

Somehow made its way all the way over to the hinterlands north of La Spezia. I have no idea precisely how or when.
 
Alpenjager said:
T1a3a1a1a1a-Y13279

T1a3a1a1a1a DA125 of Ancient Eurasian Steppe ( Used SNPs in GEDmatch: 147443 )
Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions
Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------48%
Neolithic Balkan Farmers----------20%
Early European Farmers-------------18%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-----------7%
S_Amerindian----------------------- -4%
Siberian--------------------------------2%
Kalash---------------------------------1%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Andronovo_BA3--------7.33
Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions
East European HG--------------------------30%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------18%
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-----------------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-------------------13%
Iran Neolithic---------------------------------10%
Polar--------------------------------------------5%
NatufianHG-------------------------------------3%
Others-------------------------------------------0-3%
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Steppe_IA---------18.94
T1a3a1a1a1a-Y13279

T1a3a1a1a1a DA125 of Ancient Eurasian Steppe ( Used SNPs in GEDmatch: 217859 ) Ted Kandell Upload
Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions
Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------28%
Early European Farmers-------------27%
South Asian---------------------------12%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG-------------8%
S_Amerindian---------------------------6%
Neolithic Balkan Farmers--------------5%
Siberian----------------------------------5%
SubSaharan------------------------------4%
Kalash-------------------------------------2%
Southwest Asian--------------------------2%
Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1RISE_baSca18.57

Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions
East European HG--------------------------21%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------22%
Iran Neolithic---------------------------------15%
Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic-------------------9%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG--------------------8%
Ancestral Indian-------------------------------7%
Polar--------------------------------------------6%
Siberian-----------------------------------------6%
SubSaharan-------------------------------------3%
NatufianHG--------------------------------------2%
Others-------------------------------------------0-3%
Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1Tajik19.48
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what gedmatch ID did you use for the above ...................below is his ID
Kit Num: Z043955
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
Eurasia K14 Neolithic 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
Eurasia K14 Neolithic Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Afansievo_Yamnaya 48.13
2 Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers 19.62
3 Early_European_Farmers 18.29
4 SHG_WHG 7.30
5 S_Amerindian 3.67
6 Siberian 2.18
Finished reading population data. 122 populations found.
14 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Andronovo_BA3 @ 7.417230
2 Corded_Ware_BA4 @ 12.177863
3 Bell_Beaker_LN5 @ 13.069198
4 Bell_Beaker_LN6 @ 13.322065
5 Andronovo_BA1 @ 17.615381
6 Benzigerode_LN3 @ 18.108631
7 Corded_Ware_LN3 @ 19.645847
8 Benzigerode_LN1 @ 20.057688
9 Unetice_BA3 @ 21.346790
10 Andronovo_BA4 @ 22.834948
11 Sintashta_BA @ 22.837910
12 Unetice_BA2 @ 23.140846
13 Sintashta_BA @ 23.441031
14 Sintashta_BA @ 23.763918
15 Karsdorf_LN @ 23.810766
16 Corded_Ware_LN2 @ 23.819519
17 Benzigerode_LN2 @ 24.142025
18 RISE_baSca @ 24.571037
19 Karasuk_BA5 @ 24.680170
20 Corded_Ware_BA7 @ 24.776438
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Corded_Ware_BA3 +50% Yamnaya_BA2 @ 3.366981
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bell_Beaker_LN5 +25% Andronovo_BA4 +25% Sintashta_BA @ 2.993412
 
there might be a third T1a sample in neolithic karlsdorf site Germany with mtdna J1c ( other 2 had H1 and H46 ).................I will keep you informed
 
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