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    checked with Dr. David Mittelman on this question and he provided the following information:
    Anatolia & Caucasus – On the order of 5-10 K
    Asian Northeast – On the other of 5-10 K
    Bering Expansion – On the order of 10-15 K
    East Africa Pastoralist – On the order of 3-5 K
    East Asian Coastal Islands – On the order of 5-10K
    Eastern Afroasiatic – On the order of 5-10 K
    Eurasian Heartland – On the order of 5-10 K
    European Coastal Islands – On the order of 2-4 K
    European Coastal Plain – On the order of 1-3 K
    European Northlands – On the order of 3-5 K
    Indian Tectonic – On the order of 3-5 K
    Jewish Diaspora – On the order of 1-2 K
    Kalahari Basin – On the order of 50 K
    Niger-Congo Genesis – On the order to 2-4 K
    North African Coastlands – On the order of 5-10 K
    North Circumpolar – On the order of 10 K
    North Mediterranean – On the order of 5-10 K
    Trans-Ural Peneplain – On the order of 2-4 K
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
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    checked with Dr. David Mittelman on this question and he provided the following information:
    Anatolia & Caucasus – On the order of 5-10 K
    Asian Northeast – On the other of 5-10 K
    Bering Expansion – On the order of 10-15 K
    East Africa Pastoralist – On the order of 3-5 K
    East Asian Coastal Islands – On the order of 5-10K
    Eastern Afroasiatic – On the order of 5-10 K
    Eurasian Heartland – On the order of 5-10 K
    European Coastal Islands – On the order of 2-4 K
    European Coastal Plain – On the order of 1-3 K
    European Northlands – On the order of 3-5 K
    Indian Tectonic – On the order of 3-5 K
    Jewish Diaspora – On the order of 1-2 K
    Kalahari Basin – On the order of 50 K
    Niger-Congo Genesis – On the order to 2-4 K
    North African Coastlands – On the order of 5-10 K
    North Circumpolar – On the order of 10 K
    North Mediterranean – On the order of 5-10 K
    Trans-Ural Peneplain – On the order of 2-4 K
    OK, if I understand this correctly: A certain % of North Circumpolar might be an influence streching back to 10 000 years, but it could also be much more recent (depending on the known papertrail).

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    Here are my results:


    Maternal German line is quite huge... More than I was expecting.
    Paternal Y-DNA match Armenian line might be for the Anatolia & Caucasus, but TMRCA 800-1200 years.
    North Mediterranen: ? :S Maybe Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubbe View Post
    OK, if I understand this correctly: A certain % of North Circumpolar might be an influence streching back to 10 000 years, but it could also be much more recent (depending on the known papertrail).
    true for you, but it also means they have used some ancient markers that go back to the dates that are stated. Only you know your more recent paternal line.

    the program will also minimize the Jewish numbers in the test and also the European coastal plain. So if true then for me the 47% of ECP can only be a maximum time of bronze-age period , while my 22% of NM is much older. But what of my 9% of TUP ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubbe View Post
    Yes, I am pretty sure at least some of the results must go back (far) more than 500 years.

    I forgot to mention in my previous post (#9) that of course the vikings brought back to Norway quite a few celtic slaves. We still find "celtic" R1b in Norway, so probably there is that type of autosomal DNA as well. That could also account for some of my seeming ancestry from the British Isles in myOrigins. My father and maternal uncle also have a certain % from there. I guess most Norwegians have.
    well my closest genetic matches from ftdna is one from south Sweden and one from ireland ( 2nd cousins whatever that means in their description)
    while 23andme which is only 500 years old has 19 x 2nd and 3rd cousins from North-east italy, 2 swabians , 2 dutch and 1 slovene...............plus another 150, 4th and 5th cousins from italy austria, swiss and france mostly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    well my closest genetic matches from ftdna is one from south Sweden and one from ireland ( 2nd cousins whatever that means in their description)
    while 23andme which is only 500 years old has 19 x 2nd and 3rd cousins from North-east italy, 2 swabians , 2 dutch and 1 slovene...............plus another 150, 4th and 5th cousins from italy austria, swiss and france mostly
    Can we find out what 2nd cousin mean. I have a match, he's Albanian from Montenegro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luan View Post
    Can we find out what 2nd cousin mean. I have a match, he's Albanian from Montenegro.
    A 2nd cousin could be just that, but in my experience my 2nd-4th cousin matches are often a few generations further back, due to multiple lines from one or a few common ancestors back in the 17. or 16. centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    true for you, but it also means they have used some ancient markers that go back to the dates that are stated. Only you know your more recent paternal line.

    the program will also minimize the Jewish numbers in the test and also the European coastal plain. So if true then for me the 47% of ECP can only be a maximum time of bronze-age period , while my 22% of NM is much older. But what of my 9% of TUP ?
    Thank you. I didn't think of paternal lines here, though. I mentioned NC because I have a couple of known Forest Finns families among my ancestors in the 17. century. I have not any NC in myOrigins, though, but my father and my maternal uncle have. The three of us also have Finnish matches or Norwegiian matches with Forest Finnish ancestry. But I have not been able to find common ancestors with any of these. Most of them are in the 4th - remote cousins range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    well my closest genetic matches from ftdna is one from south Sweden and one from ireland ( 2nd cousins whatever that means in their description)
    while 23andme which is only 500 years old has 19 x 2nd and 3rd cousins from North-east italy, 2 swabians , 2 dutch and 1 slovene...............plus another 150, 4th and 5th cousins from italy austria, swiss and france mostly
    Do you have any recent ancestors that you know of from these areas? If not, it seems also 23andme could go further back than 500 years? I haven't tested with them myself, so I can't compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubbe View Post
    Do you have any recent ancestors that you know of from these areas? If not, it seems also 23andme could go further back than 500 years? I haven't tested with them myself, so I can't compare.
    no, i do not have recent ancestors.....the dates are from 1645...........only only have a paper trail to 1688.

    23andme state they only go back 500 years on their site.

    BTW, 23andme are leaving USA and going to either Canada or Ireland ......because of FDA rules preventing them to test medical genes in USA people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    no, i do not have recent ancestors.....the dates are from 1645...........only only have a paper trail to 1688.

    23andme state they only go back 500 years on their site.

    BTW, 23andme are leaving USA and going to either Canada or Ireland ......because of FDA rules preventing them to test medical genes in USA people.
    To me, 1645 is "recent"! And it is within the 500 years of 23andme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubbe View Post
    To me, 1645 is "recent"! And it is within the 500 years of 23andme.
    its a 2nd cousin genetic marker.....its not a paternal, paternal marker.....but it's a paternal , maternal marker

    but 23andme never found it............ftdna did

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubbe View Post
    A 2nd cousin could be just that, but in my experience my 2nd-4th cousin matches are often a few generations further back, due to multiple lines from one or a few common ancestors back in the 17. or 16. centuries.
    Thanks, I'm interested to know especially because his Albanian.

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    MyOrigins did not gather data from numbers of people tested, but from SNPs found in people tested.........which is 270,000 plus

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    Here are my 23andme results, Im going to get a real ftdna test soon. The 23andme ancestry side is lacking but I got the health results before it was shut down so totally worth it.

    Capture.jpgThese are at the 'Standard' level

    This one is at the 'Speculative' level.
    My girlfriend and I had a good laugh about the 0.1% south asian, whatever that gives me, it doesn't let me eat spicy food.

    Capture.jpg Here are my Eurogenes k13 admixture results too, I uploaded my results from 23andme to GEDMatch. I really wish they had the k20 calculator on there used for the Lazaridis study. I would like to see how I fit in to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motzart View Post
    Here are my 23andme results, Im going to get a real ftdna test soon. The 23andme ancestry side is lacking but I got the health results before it was shut down so totally worth it.

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    FTDNA did a very good job for my uncle. It was able to tell he had Norwegian, British, Spanish, Native American, and west African ancestry. They did a good job for you to since they could tell you are British(you didn't score in any other category). FTDNA might be a waste of money.

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    I would like the FTDNA 37 marker Y DNA test, 23andme still uses the ISOGG tree from 2009 in determining which Y DNA markers to check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luan View Post
    Thanks, I'm interested to know especially because his Albanian.

    Luan, you said your from the village Morina. Is your clan or fis Morina as well?

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    My results are these: 85% european, 16% middle eastern (Anatolia & Caucasus). Being a northern italian, I'm not surprised by the fact my european is 69% North Mediterranean, anyway I expected some Central Coastal plains since the myOrigins population cluster for northern Italy is a mix between those two... The rest of my european (16%) is European Northlands instead... What do you think about it? Maybe some (strong) longobard or goth ancestry? Or some more recent admixture, in your opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    My results are these: 85% european, 16% middle eastern (Anatolia & Caucasus). Being a northern italian, I'm not surprised by the fact my european is 69% North Mediterranean, anyway I expected some Central Coastal plains since the myOrigins population cluster for northern Italy is a mix between those two... The rest of my european (16%) is European Northlands instead... What do you think about it? Maybe some (strong) longobard or goth ancestry? Or some more recent admixture, in your opinion?
    cut_myorigins.jpg
    These are the Archaeological traces (burial sites/settlements) of the Langobarden in Italy [mostly Friaul, Trentino, Lombardy, Piedmont and Emilia] so if your from or near from such a location than good/higher chances the 16% Northland is from them;


    The 16% Middle East from the Anatolia and Caucasus seems the Neolithic area or later Pelasgian (Tyrrhenian) ancestry;

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    Hard to say... I have ancestors from, roughly, some of those areas - Veneto and Emilia - though most of my ancestry is from Liguria. The only thing that comes to my mind is the "nordic" look on the venetian side of my family - I mean, most of them have blue eyes, fair skin and are frequently blonde. I inherited some of these traits, too.
    The Anatolia-Caucasus is considered a signature of neolithic expansion into Europe by FamilyTree and National Geographic. The Pelasgian theory is fascinating although ;)

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    My results:

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    Mars, my results are similar to yours:
    80% Mediterranean, this was obvious and 16% Scandinavia, I think it's not Longobard, but maybe this is my Visigoth part....
    But you also have to add:
    2% of morocco: maybe my part of the Islamic conquest of the peninsula (berebr?). And, oh a big surprise! 2% of African (est afrincan pastoralist) guess also because the Islamic conquest, or maybe this is earlier?? what do you thing about this?
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    It's intriguing... It seems your DNA is a mosaic of different historic patterns... :) You haven't Anatolia and Caucasus, I though it was quite regular in southern europeans. You have some northern euro like me, it makes me think we actually inherited from the "barbarian" conquest of southern Europe during the late Roman Empire.
    About the african traces, I think they depend on some afroasiatic and/or berberian ancestor from the early Middle Ages. I'm not good at quantifying these old influences, I mean, how old can it be? Anyways I think it's from the Moors. If it were, say, phoenician - they colonized the mediterranean coast of Spain - you should have some Anatolia & Caucasus, I think, but it's actually absent in your autosomal. More likely it's moor/arabian, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    It's intriguing... It seems your DNA is a mosaic of different historic patterns... :) You haven't Anatolia and Caucasus, I though it was quite regular in southern europeans. You have some northern euro like me, it makes me think we actually inherited from the "barbarian" conquest of southern Europe during the late Roman Empire.
    About the african traces, I think they depend on some afroasiatic and/or berberian ancestor from the early Middle Ages. I'm not good at quantifying these old influences, I mean, how old can it be? Anyways I think it's from the Moors. If it were, say, phoenician - they colonized the mediterranean coast of Spain - you should have some Anatolia & Caucasus, I think, but it's actually absent in your autosomal. More likely it's moor/arabian, IMHO.
    agree, maybe he entered europe via spain side

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