Y DNA R1b and homosexuality

[motzart]

ROFL He did the same to me with black people

LeBrok is just passionate about R1b, as it is his own haplogroup. He defends the honor of R1b with a lustful zeal and he will not tolerate any homosexual propaganda . Perhaps this strong love he has for his own haplogroup goes beyond pride and verges on the territory of sexual thoughts? The truth is buried deep within his psyche. Can LeBrok admit he is 'in love' with R1b? Can he admit he has come here to seek out others with R1b to engage them romantically? If he has, more support for my thread.

Would any R1b bearers be willing to post their browser histories so that we may investigate for pornography searches involving red haired indo europeans?

 

[motzart]

R1b men massacred the vast majority of haplogroup I men and stole all their women, on their own turf... imagine if R1b's were straight

That being said, tr0ll thread is obvious.

I see your father stole one of our U5b1 women, heartless bastards. My own father took an H1c3 woman though so between us it is even. I prefer to think of the Neolithic peoples of Europe as not a bunch of genocidal maniacs but rather a peaceful group of tribes interacting and co-operating. But please I will relent my homosexual assertions if you are going to unleash the glorious armies of the Irish and Basques on me. God I fear the Irish and Basques, history's greatest heroes never defeated in battle.

 

[LeBrok]

LeBrok is just passionate about R1b, as it is his own haplogroup. He defends the honor of R1b with a lustful zeal and he will not tolerate any homosexual propaganda . Perhaps this strong love he has for his own haplogroup goes beyond pride and verges on the territory of sexual thoughts? The truth is buried deep within his psyche. Can LeBrok admit he is 'in love' with R1b? Can he admit he has come here to seek out others with R1b to engage them romantically? If he has, more support for my thread.

Would any R1b bearers be willing to post their browser histories so that we may investigate for pornography searches involving red haired indo europeans?

Lol, this shows how great observer you are. You befriended two biggest gay bashers on eupedia Ike and FireHaired.

And for your information, I would comment same way regardless of haplogroup, because your observation doesn't make sense. You point for correlation without causation. Do you understand this concept?

 

[Degredado]

I see your father stole one of our U5b1 women, heartless bastards. My own father took an H1c3 woman though so between us it is even. I prefer to think of the Neolithic peoples of Europe as not a bunch of genocidal maniacs but rather a peaceful group of tribes interacting and co-operating. But please I will relent my homosexual assertions if you are going to unleash the glorious armies of the Irish and Basques on me. God I fear the Irish and Basques, history's greatest heroes never defeated in battle.

The Irish have only ever had to face Vikings (who managed to capture only fractions of the island, temporarily) and the English, in their entire History. I think most would agree about those two being some pretty heavyweight foes..

As for the Basques,, you must be forgetting that the Romans, Visigoths, Franks/Carolingians and Umayads all failed to conquer them. They don't speak basque to this day for no reason.

 

[motzart]

R1b men massacred the vast majority of haplogroup I men and stole all their women, on their own turf... imagine if R1b's were straight

That being said, tr0ll thread is obvious.

I had to reply to this comment again as I have had new revelations.

Perhaps it was not the WHG women that the indo europeans came for, if they were, as science and data supports, homosexual, perhaps it was Haplogroup I that they invaded Europe to acquire. These red haired homosexual Pakistani R1bs could not control their lust when they learned of the tall glorious blonde haired blue eyed WHGs and killed off their mtdna U women out of jealousy.

 

[Maleth]

Here is another great map illustrating the legality of homosexuality in europe, the other one may be a little broad (global)

They can add Malta in this map (The little island under Sicily) as we were just granted civil union right last Month.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with HG. As a homosexual I know enough that homosexuals come from every part of the world. Do you think that a homosexual person from Uganda (example) is going to be honest with his/her sexuality if the government puts you in prison?. Even in the case you would know someone and don't report it? There are 'underground' gay bars in Iran and Eygpt and other Arab countries (where homosexuality is illegal just like how Europe was less than 100 years ago, have a look at Victorian times in Britian). These homosexuals have no choice other to live in denial, live double lives or suppress their same sex attractions with all the negative consequences it brings about..... or find ways to live in other countries where they can live their life without the different grades of persecution.

 

[Grubbe]

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are very wealthy but you don't see liberal attitudes in these countries. Why is Western Europe so accepting of Homosexuality but not Cannabis and Abortions if they are so "liberal"?

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are both Muslim countries. They don't tolerate homosexuality for religious reasons. Re cannabis: I think, at least in the Nordic countries, the reason the bovernments won't accept cannabis and other drugs, is that they already have alcohol. And that's leading to more than enough problems, without introducing other drugs as well. Re abortion: The situation in individual European countries depends on what level of freedom the women have, also often connected to religion.

 

[Grubbe]

I think it is more likely that the cause of homosexuality in European men will be linked to R1b, we know that the majority of the aristocracy and monarchs in Europe have been R1b, and we also have a thoroughly documented tendency towards homosexual behavior in these groups.

Kings could get away with anything - because they were kings. Other people had to behave, if they wanted to keep their head. Even so: Some monarchs were homosexuals, but others had lots of extramarrital children. But whoring around was not an acceptable way of life for "the commons" either, without severe consequences.

 

[Ike]

Lol, this shows how great observer you are. You befriended two biggest gay bashers on eupedia Ike and FireHaired.

So, just because I'm against their right to exercise their sexual perversions in front of me (i.e. in public), now I'm also against them?

 

[LeBrok]

So, just because I'm against their right to exercise their sexual perversions in front of me (i.e. in public), now I'm also against them?

Yes, it is exactly what it means. Other words you are "pro-gay" as long as they stay in the closet, lol.

 

[Angela]

Lol, this shows how great observer you are. You befriended two biggest gay bashers on eupedia Ike and FireHaired.

And for your information, I would comment same way regardless of haplogroup, because your observation doesn't make sense. You point for correlation without causation. Do you understand this concept?

Obviously, if the distinction were understood, the thread would not have been posted. You need some advanced vocabulary, reason, and logic to understand it. Forget about actually looking up studies.

I don't know to what extent homosexuality is determined by genetic factors, uterine environment, early childhood environment, and/or life experiences. I think that the research as well as the testimony of actual gay people indicates that the inclination is present from an extremely young age and has a genetic component.

There is some early work indicating a link to the X chromosome, as another poster mentioned. I'm not going to bother posting the link because it probably won't be read, and if read, it probably won't be understood. The fact that it is on the X makes some sense to me since if the 'determining' genetic factors were on the "Y" one would think it would be a trait that would die out. It also might explain why there are apparently(?) fewer Lesbians than homosexual men. In women, since there are two X chromosomes, it would be rarer to get a situation where both genes code for homosexuality and the trait is expressed.

None of this is to say that homosexuality may not be more present in certain ethnic groups than in others.There are indeed some studies that indicate it is more prevalent in certain European countries than in others, although it's difficult to know how accurate such data might be given the social stigma is stronger in some countries than in others. Once you get out of Europe, it's impossible to quantify as some posters have pointed out, as the penalty can be death.

Also, there seems to be an unawareness here of the hypocrisy which can exist even in such countries. Yes, homosexuality is strictly forbidden in Muslim countries. That didn't stop the Ottomans from engaging in a very lively trade in young boys for sexual purposes. J2a is very predominant there. Do our posters really not know what goes on even in places like J1 Saudi Arabia? Last time I checked, this isn't a part of the world awash in R1b.

Or what about Afghanistan and the "Bacha Bazi," the underage "dancing boys"? Oh wait, there's a lot of R1a there! Is it all the "R" lineages? But wait again, from that map of gay civil rights in Europe it looks to me like the more hunter gatherer north is more homosexual. Is it the higher percentages of the yDNA "I"? Or is it all that mtDNA U5 and U4, or rather the X chromosomes these women carried?

I'm going to give some of these young men the benefit of the doubt and assume they are joking around. If I were to believe they are serious, it would be just too depressing.

Ed. And just why do some of you care so much what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms? Are they harming you in some way? I swear, maybe there's something to the idea that men who are so viciously anti-gay harbor unresolved homosexual feelings themselves, or at least are very insecure about their sexuality.

 

[mihaitzateo]

There is a great debate right now as to whether homosexuality is genetic or learned, homosexuals themselves strongly believe that they are "born this way". I present to you my research into the topic.

First I will reference this map of the legality of homosexuality in Europe contrasted against the spread of Y DNA Haplogroup R1b in Europe.

You can easily see that homosexuality is only legal in European countries where the y dna haplogroup r1b is most common.

As we already know R1b is directly tied to the spread of the celtic cultures in europe.
(Map of the spread of celtic cultures below, also correlates to homosexuality legality status).

To finalize this theory I present a quote from the great Greek philosopher Aristolte and a later Roman Historian on the sexual preferences of the celts (taken from the celtic wikipedia page)

According to Aristotle, most "belligerent nations" were strongly influenced by their women, but the Celts were unusual because their men openly preferred male lovers (Politics II 1269b).^[77] H. D. Rankin in Celts and the Classical World notes that "Athenaeus echoes this comment (603a) and so does Ammianus (30.9). It seems to be the general opinion of antiquity."^[78] In book XIII of his Deipnosophists, the Roman Greek rhetorician and grammarian Athenaeus, repeating assertions made by Diodorus Siculus in the 1st century BC (Bibliotheca historica 5:32), wrote that Celtic women were beautiful but that the men preferred to sleep together. Diodorus went further, stating that "the young men will offer themselves to strangers and are insulted if the offer is refused".



I think it is fair to say that r1b most likely carries the gene responsible for homosexuality.

I think it was rather some custom or wrong information transmitted ,but I doubt that between Celts homosexuality was high.

 

[Ike]

Yes, it is exactly what it means. Other words you are "pro-gay" as long as they stay in the closet, lol.

You indeed have some weird logic.

1. It is not what you say it means.
2. I'm not "pro-gay" whether they're in the closet or out of it. Why would I be pro or against it? How can one even be pro or against it?! Are you pro Pluto or against it? Are you pro baldness or against it?

 

[Fire Haired14]

Lol, this shows how great observer you are. You befriended two biggest gay bashers on eupedia Ike and FireHaired.

I am sick of you treating me as if I am some type of right-wing separatist. Is the way people reacted to Robertson not hating, or how people who have differnt opinons are treated(like this) by establishments? It is as if it's against the law not to be far-left. You'll just ignore that the people you support are snobbish-oppressors who lie(posed this man as a raciest) and send propaganda via the media, and still act as if their hippy underdogs. Go ahead Lebrok, post another one of your snobby Christian-bashing comments. Modern liberalism is largely about hating anything that's conservative. All you liberals use the same old phrases and ways to express yourself, yet every time you say it you think it's new(1960's have been over for over 40 years) and groundbreaking.

 

[Fire Haired14]

They can add Malta in this map (The little island under Sicily) as we were just granted civil union right last Month.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with HG. As a homosexual I know enough that homosexuals come from every part of the world. Do you think that a homosexual person from Uganda (example) is going to be honest with his/her sexuality if the government puts you in prison?. Even in the case you would know someone and don't report it? There are 'underground' gay bars in Iran and Eygpt and other Arab countries (where homosexuality is illegal just like how Europe was less than 100 years ago, have a look at Victorian times in Britian). These homosexuals have no choice other to live in denial, live double lives or suppress their same sex attractions with all the negative consequences it brings about..... or find ways to live in other countries where they can live their life without the different grades of persecution.

Do you have sources for undergroud gay bars in the middle east, or are you making assumptions?

I don't mean to be offensive, just gonna ask some questions if you don't want to answer them fully that's fine. How and when did you determine that you were homosexual? When did you become sexually mature, and did you go through puberty normally? Have you ever been attracted to the opposite gender? Are you attracted to men the same way as women are attracted to men?

 

[Fire Haired14]

LeBrok is just passionate about R1b, as it is his own haplogroup. He defends the honor of R1b with a lustful zeal and he will not tolerate any homosexual propaganda . Perhaps this strong love he has for his own haplogroup goes beyond pride and verges on the territory of sexual thoughts? The truth is buried deep within his psyche. Can LeBrok admit he is 'in love' with R1b? Can he admit he has come here to seek out others with R1b to engage them romantically? If he has, more support for my thread.

Would any R1b bearers be willing to post their browser histories so that we may investigate for pornography searches involving red haired indo europeans?

You sick bastard, LOL.

 

[Angela]

Do you have sources for undergroud gay bars in the middle east, or are you making assumptions?

I don't mean to be offensive, just gonna ask some questions if you don't want to answer them fully that's fine. How and when did you determine that you were homosexual? When did you become sexually mature, and did you go through puberty normally? Have you ever been attracted to the opposite gender? Are you attracted to men the same way as women are attracted to men?

Have some decorum. Are you going to ask when we all lost our virginity next? How many and what kinds of sexual partners? Do you have no filter whatsoever? If you must ask such questions, do them in a PM, but be advised that most people will block you forthwith.

 

[Fire Haired14]

The Irish have only ever had to face Vikings (who managed to capture only fractions of the island, temporarily) and the English, in their entire History. I think most would agree about those two being some pretty heavyweight foes..

As for the Basques,, you must be forgetting that the Romans, Visigoths, Franks/Carolingians and Umayads all failed to conquer them. They don't speak basque to this day for no reason.

Nowadays, there are more pussies in the west(including Ireland) than there every was. Our lives are luxurious and safe, war barely effects us, we don't have much of a need to learn how to fight, and survival is much much easier than in it was in the past. Besides, genetics has little to do toughness. Culture, mentality, your in-born personality, and the way you grew up are the biggest factors. Sure, many great warriors came out of Ireland and the Basque in the past, but that doesn't mean their war-traditions have been passed down to their modern descendants.

Why doesn't anyone give English any credit for their past achievements? Starting from when the Anglo Saxons first arrived in Britain over 1,500 years ago, they have dominated the British isles. What language do Irish, Welsh, and Scottish mainly speak? Anytime they didn't conquer rebellious people in the British isles, it was because they had more important things to do, or were tired out from all the wars. At one time Britain had the largest empire in the history of mankind.

 

[Fire Haired14]

Have some decorum. Are you going to ask when we all lost our virginity next? How many and what kinds of sexual partners? Do you have no filter whatsoever? If you must ask such questions, do them in a PM, but be advised that most people will block you forthwith.

Your right, those questions are inappropriate.

 

[LeBrok]

You indeed have some weird logic.

1. It is not what you say it means.
2. I'm not "pro-gay" whether they're in the closet or out of it. Why would I be pro or against it? How can one even be pro or against it?! Are you pro Pluto or against it? Are you pro baldness or against it?

What I meant was tolerant not pro-gay. You said that you are ok with gays, but they can't be around you.