Y DNA R1b and homosexuality

Well, very interesting thread Motzart!

I noticed the same thing around me. I'm not R1b and I tested more than 10 people of my social circle. The most Femenine individuals belongs to R1b and all of R1b have evident Femenine "undertone" but not all of them shows this behaivor on the exact same way. On the other hand E1b, T1a, J2 and I2 have less, negligible or nule Femenine behaivor. I want to emphasize that this is very obvious to me. The total number of R1b is 5 and non-R1b is 7. My list from most Fermenine to less Femenine: R1b, R1b, R1b, R1b, // I2, R1b, E1b-V13, I2, // E1b-M81, E1b-M81, J2, T1a.

So, I have no doubt about a link between Feminity and R1b. Because of this I don't know. This thoughts are shared among some of the individuals of this small research.
 
How wonderfully scientific!
 
Only way to find out is to make a poll. If there was any gay gene, I seriously doubt that the Gay gene would solely hitch a ride on the Y-Chromozone; that would mean that lesbians would be stereotyped as having a Y-Chromozone.

Sourcing from 23andme, these genes are the strongest link to homosexuality.
rs6990254: G = more likely to be homosexual, T = average likelihood
rs2221108: G = more likely to be homosexual, A = average likelihood
rs2221108: G = more likely to be homosexual, A = average likelihood
 
Alpenjager said:
Well, very interesting thread Motzart!

I noticed the same thing around me. I'm not R1b and I tested more than 10 people of my social circle. The most Femenine individuals belongs to R1b and all of R1b have evident Femenine "undertone" but not all of them shows this behaivor on the exact same way. On the other hand E1b, T1a, J2 and I2 have less, negligible or nule Femenine behaivor. I want to emphasize that this is very obvious to me. The total number of R1b is 5 and non-R1b is 7. My list from most Fermenine to less Femenine: R1b, R1b, R1b, R1b, // I2, R1b, E1b-V13, I2, // E1b-M81, E1b-M81, J2, T1a.

So, I have no doubt about a link between Feminity and R1b. Because of this I don't know. This thoughts are shared among some of the individuals of this small research.
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all humans are conceived as females

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Kdoja3hlk

whats the different haplogroups got to do with feminity
 
Alpenjager said:
Well, very interesting thread Motzart!

I noticed the same thing around me. I'm not R1b and I tested more than 10 people of my social circle. The most Femenine individuals belongs to R1b and all of R1b have evident Femenine "undertone" but not all of them shows this behaivor on the exact same way. On the other hand E1b, T1a, J2 and I2 have less, negligible or nule Femenine behaivor. I want to emphasize that this is very obvious to me. The total number of R1b is 5 and non-R1b is 7. My list from most Fermenine to less Femenine: R1b, R1b, R1b, R1b, // I2, R1b, E1b-V13, I2, // E1b-M81, E1b-M81, J2, T1a.

So, I have no doubt about a link between Feminity and R1b. Because of this I don't know. This thoughts are shared among some of the individuals of this small research.
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It actually appears to be so, that Northern Europeans are more likely to be Gay persons. Keeping in mind that Northern Europeans are over 50% R1 people the probability that Gay person is R1 is very high so there actually appears as scientific hint of connections between homosexuality and R1.
But don't forget the R1 haplogroup is the most numerous haplogroup in Europe. Out of 300 million males Europe has over 200 millions are R1 males. So even if in percentage wise the likelihood of a R1 person being gay is equal with likelihood of a I1 person being gay, since R1 males are a lot more numerous, one will meet a lot more R1 gays than other haplogroups. So the appearance is that all R1 are gays. But if you calculate for every haplogroup the percentage of gay members it should be the same percentage for every haplogroup.
 
Alpenjager said:
Well, very interesting thread Motzart!

I noticed the same thing around me. I'm not R1b and I tested more than 10 people of my social circle. The most Femenine individuals belongs to R1b and all of R1b have evident Femenine "undertone" but not all of them shows this behaivor on the exact same way. On the other hand E1b, T1a, J2 and I2 have less, negligible or nule Femenine behaivor. I want to emphasize that this is very obvious to me. The total number of R1b is 5 and non-R1b is 7. My list from most Fermenine to less Femenine: R1b, R1b, R1b, R1b, // I2, R1b, E1b-V13, I2, // E1b-M81, E1b-M81, J2, T1a.

So, I have no doubt about a link between Feminity and R1b. Because of this I don't know. This thoughts are shared among some of the individuals of this small research.
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Pure nonsense

 
Goga said:
If ancient R1b folks were more gay than others they would never have so much descendants and conquer Europe!
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This is probably one time I agree with you. ;)
 
DuPidh said:
It actually appears to be so, that Northern Europeans are more likely to be Gay persons. Keeping in mind that Northern Europeans are over 50% R1 people the probability that Gay person is R1 is very high so there actually appears as scientific hint of connections between homosexuality and R1.
But don't forget the R1 haplogroup is the most numerous haplogroup in Europe. Out of 300 million males Europe has over 200 millions are R1 males. So even if in percentage wise the likelihood of a R1 person being gay is equal with likelihood of a I1 person being gay, since R1 males are a lot more numerous, one will meet a lot more R1 gays than other haplogroups. So the appearance is that all R1 are gays. But if you calculate for every haplogroup the percentage of gay members it should be the same percentage for every haplogroup.
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You're basing this on observation and stero-types which makes it pseudo-science. People of mostly Northern European decent today(Americans, Australians, North Europeans) are the most liberal today. That can help explain why it seems more of them are homosexual than others. In most of the world homosexuality is socially unacceptable.
 
LeBrok said:
DuPidh said:
Yes, in this department they seem to be doing right. However in whole freedom spectrum, like press, business, democracy, they are closer to the bottom of the freedom scale.
https://freedomhouse.org/report-types/freedom-world#.Ve_SihFVhBc
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It is interesting how the concept of "freedom" exists on different spectrums. For example, the USA is famously permissive when it comes to weapons ownership - it's even possible to legally own a fully automatic machine gun in many areas without a great deal of difficulty. On the other hand, The USA tends to take a rather restrictive view of many sexual freedoms, and many areas still have a very hardline attitude toward marijuana. By contrast, much of Western Europe shrugs at many drugs and hardcore pornography, but makes it difficult to obtain even a basic rifle or handgun.
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RobertColumbia said:
LeBrok said:
It is interesting how the concept of "freedom" exists on different spectrums. For example, the USA is famously permissive when it comes to weapons ownership - it's even possible to legally own a fully automatic machine gun in many areas without a great deal of difficulty. On the other hand, The USA tends to take a rather restrictive view of many sexual freedoms, and many areas still have a very hardline attitude toward marijuana. By contrast, much of Western Europe shrugs at many drugs and hardcore pornography, but makes it difficult to obtain even a basic rifle or handgun.
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That's very short sighted of Europeans, in my opinion. In Italy, one of the first things the Fascists did after they took control of the government was to confiscate all fire arms, even those used by peasants for hunting. That's one reason why it took so long for actual resistance against them to materialize, even in areas like mine with a long history of anarchist and communist parties. (Of course, the killing of people like Mateotti, the rounding up of anyone who dared to voice a contrary view and imprisoning them or sending them into exile was a big factor as well.)

In fact, only when the British started dropping arms and ammunition by air did was any kind of armed resistance possible.

In the U.S., the founders had a healthy distrust of centralized governments. Europe has always failed to understand that. Unfortunately that virus is spreading in the U.S. as well.

One of the, in my opinion, outstanding features of the U.S. Constitution is the "balance of powers" between not only the executive, the legislative and the judiciary, but between the federal and the local jurisdictions. All of this, as well, stemmed from a healthy distrust of allowing too much power to accumulate in one place.

I'm not so sure that all of Europe is so much more liberal sexually than the U.S. It also depends how you define "liberal" in terms of sexuality. From my own personal experience in Italy, it's much more open in terms of representations of nudity and sexuality, discussions of sexuality in mixed company, acceptance of its centrality in human life etc. than the U.S. On the other hand, there's less tolerance of homosexuality even today than in the U.S., and there's far less promiscuity, out of wedlock pregnancies etc. among young girls than there is in the U.S. or northern Europe.
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Angela said:
That's very short sighted of Europeans, in my opinion. In Italy, one of the first things the Fascists did after they took control of the government was to confiscate all fire arms, even those used by peasants for hunting. That's one reason why it took so long for actual resistance against them to materialize, even in areas like mine with a long history of anarchist and communist parties. (Of course, the killing of people like Mateotti, the rounding up of anyone who dared to voice a contrary view and imprisoning them or sending them into exile was a big factor as well.)
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Good point, Angela. In Europe in every country, or almost, there was some sort of dictatorship or occupation regime, when most arms were confiscated from dissatisfied population. In US on other hand there is a steady democratic system for 200 years, with governments coming from roots, and not afraid of their people. We should also mention that Wild West culture proliferated and solidified gun ownership a lot too.
 
Alpenjager said:
Well, very interesting thread Motzart!

I noticed the same thing around me. I'm not R1b and I tested more than 10 people of my social circle. The most Femenine individuals belongs to R1b and all of R1b have evident Femenine "undertone" but not all of them shows this behaivor on the exact same way. On the other hand E1b, T1a, J2 and I2 have less, negligible or nule Femenine behaivor. I want to emphasize that this is very obvious to me. The total number of R1b is 5 and non-R1b is 7. My list from most Fermenine to less Femenine: R1b, R1b, R1b, R1b, // I2, R1b, E1b-V13, I2, // E1b-M81, E1b-M81, J2, T1a.

So, I have no doubt about a link between Feminity and R1b. Because of this I don't know. This thoughts are shared among some of the individuals of this small research.
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Were these people of similar ethnic backgrounds? If you compared an R1b Swede, an I1 Swede, and an R1b Scot, you might actually discover that the two Swedes were more similar to each other than either of them was to the Scot.
 
RobertColumbia said:
Were these people of similar ethnic backgrounds? If you compared an R1b Swede, an I1 Swede, and an R1b Scot, you might actually discover that the two Swedes were more similar to each other than either of them was to the Scot.
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How can a person notice correlation of haplotype with body or sexuality?!!! Do people post their haplotype with pictures on internet, or do we have gay database with their haplotype, do people walk in the streets with R1b on their forheads? Total nonsense. To be clear, if I was gay I would be a proud gay.
 
LeBrok said:
Good point, Angela. In Europe in every country, or almost, there was some sort of dictatorship or occupation regime, when most arms were confiscated from dissatisfied population. In US on other hand there is a steady democratic system for 200 years, with governments coming from roots, and not afraid of their people. We should also mention that Wild West culture proliferated and solidified gun ownership a lot too.
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Sorry this is out of subject but since its mentioned I have to comment. This is something I really cannot agree on. I see it very very differently. One cannot compare the age of the wild west and cowboy and Indians scenario to the kind of democracy we have today. Having a licensed fire arm at home does not equate to democracy in any way. I am very glad that in Europe we do not have the same mentality, and sorry Angela but there is really nothing short sighted about that, I am surprised you have come to this conclusion. Not sure why anyone can see that its beneficial or increase points toward democracy. I think the US has a big problem with all the 'solidification' of gun ownership and in reality probably has failed to to do something about it in my opinion. We are not living in the age of the wild west (so far at least) and its a creepy feeling to say the least.

Maybe firearms at home are ok in a civil war or in very unstable situations were there is total anarchy....but in a functioning democracy? whats the purpose? unless one feels threatened all the time. For what other reason its ok to have a licensed fire arm at home? Love to hear about the benefits of it........
 
Angela said:
That's very short sighted of Europeans, in my opinion. In Italy, one of the first things the Fascists did after they took control of the government was to confiscate all fire arms, even those used by peasants for hunting. That's one reason why it took so long for actual resistance against them to materialize, even in areas like mine with a long history of anarchist and communist parties. (Of course, the killing of people like Mateotti, the rounding up of anyone who dared to voice a contrary view and imprisoning them or sending them into exile was a big factor as well.)
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Angela, those were different times, time of turbulence, why would that justify for guns to be legal in American households in2015? to defend what and from whom? Are things really that bad? or its some kind of obsession that needs healing?
 
Maleth said:
Sorry this is out of subject but since its mentioned I have to comment. This is something I really cannot agree on. I see it very very differently. One cannot compare the age of the wild west and cowboy and Indians scenario to the kind of democracy we have today. Having a licensed fire arm at home does not equate to democracy in any way. I am very glad that in Europe we do not have the same mentality, and sorry Angela but there is really nothing short sighted about that, I am surprised you have come to this conclusion. Not sure why anyone can see that its beneficial or increase points toward democracy. I think the US has a big problem with all the 'solidification' of gun ownership and in reality probably has failed to to do something about it in my opinion. We are not living in the age of the wild west (so far at least) and its a creepy feeling to say the least.

Maybe firearms at home are ok in a civil war or in very unstable situations were there is total anarchy....but in a functioning democracy? whats the purpose? unless one feels threatened all the time. For what other reason its ok to have a licensed fire arm at home? Love to hear about the benefits of it........
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I don't think there is an argument who has better democracy, at least from my side. It is more about differences of freedoms that we enjoy under similar democratic systems, like gun ownership or sexuality.
 
Alpenjager said:
Well, very interesting thread Motzart!

I noticed the same thing around me. I'm not R1b and I tested more than 10 people of my social circle. The most Femenine individuals belongs to R1b and all of R1b have evident Femenine "undertone" but not all of them shows this behaivor on the exact same way. On the other hand E1b, T1a, J2 and I2 have less, negligible or nule Femenine behaivor. I want to emphasize that this is very obvious to me. The total number of R1b is 5 and non-R1b is 7. My list from most Fermenine to less Femenine: R1b, R1b, R1b, R1b, // I2, R1b, E1b-V13, I2, // E1b-M81, E1b-M81, J2, T1a.

So, I have no doubt about a link between Feminity and R1b. Because of this I don't know. This thoughts are shared among some of the individuals of this small research.
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One problem with measuring "femininity" is that it is not an easy concept to define formally or quantitatively. In addition to there being no clear model for giving someone a femininity "score", there is also the issue that ideas on what is and what is not "feminine" varies from culture to culture and from time period to time period. For example, some cultures (including one in which R1b predominates) do not consider skirts to be inherently feminine.

Sile said:
all humans are conceived as females

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Kdoja3hlk

whats the different haplogroups got to do with feminity
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If humans start as female and become male later during development due to the influence of the y-chromosome, it could be plausible that mutations on the y-chromosome could affect the timing or intensity of that transition. I'm not saying that that is actually the case, only saying that it is a plausible hypothesis that could be investigated scientifically.
 
RobertColumbia said:
If humans start as female and become male later during development due to the influence of the y-chromosome, it could be plausible that mutations on the y-chromosome could affect the timing or intensity of that transition. I'm not saying that that is actually the case, only saying that it is a plausible hypothesis that could be investigated scientifically.
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if your are saying that it could be a reason why some men are more feminine than other men, then I agree
 
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