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    Quote Originally Posted by albanopolis View Post
    Its going there,if not it seems England will be the first country out.
    Britian has been Euro sceptic since it joined the EU in 1973 (EEC at the time) Its still there today in 2014. And the present prime minister David Cameron has said many times he is totally in favour of staying in. Whats new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleth View Post
    Britian has been Euro sceptic since it joined the EU in 1973 (EEC at the time) Its still there today in 2014. And the present prime minister David Cameron has said many times he is totally in favour of staying in. Whats new?
    What's new is that if the EU wants to survive, it's going to have to at some point shed marginal member countries, most of them because their economies are under-developed but Britain because it's not as committed to the EU concept. However, even such a radical change won't solve the ongoing problem of German manufacturing efficiency sucking money out of countries like Spain and Italy. As an economic unit, the EU may not be sustainable in the long run. However, as a political unit, I think it's been a splendid success, even if the Brits don't seem to recognize that. The EU has prevented European countries from becoming hostile with one another and provides a sense of security against the Russian bear, so that countries like Germany don't have to over-militarize.

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    Europe needs more integration. Only united Europe can compete with the giants of other continents. It is possible that federalists lead Europe in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberdeen View Post
    What's new is that if the EU wants to survive, it's going to have to at some point shed marginal member countries, most of them because their economies are under-developed but Britain because it's not as committed to the EU concept. However, even such a radical change won't solve the ongoing problem of German manufacturing efficiency sucking money out of countries like Spain and Italy. As an economic unit, the EU may not be sustainable in the long run. However, as a political unit, I think it's been a splendid success, even if the Brits don't seem to recognize that. The EU has prevented European countries from becoming hostile with one another and provides a sense of security against the Russian bear, so that countries like Germany don't have to over-militarize.
    EU will not succeed because they have national governments within it..........destroy the nations in the EU, make it regional representation and then the EU will prosper.
    Nations have far too much power in the EU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    EU will not succeed because they have national governments within it..........destroy the nations in the EU, make it regional representation and then the EU will prosper.
    Nations have far too much power in the EU
    It will survive because there are stronger forces in work here than national agendas. The main force is economical. Stronger countries and their companies have access to almost all European people as consumers and working force. Smaller countries receive financial help and their people can work across Europe too. This greatly unleashes human potential and make Europe economically stronger.
    As they say, "Money talks, bulshit walks."
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    What Anton didn't mention is that China does not need Russian gas, because they still prefer coal from China and gas from Turkmenistan (and of course China itself). The Chinese didn't want to pay as much as the Europeans, so it is only now when Europe is thinking about alternatives that Russia agrees with the much lower price for gas that China wants to pay.

    Anyway the pipeline that transports the Russian gas is ready in 2018. In the meantime it might get difficult to find buyers for Russian gas if it became sanctioned by the EU.

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    1. Chinese already ready to pay the same price as Europeans to avoid nature pollution by coal.
    2. EU sanctions are joke, I even must say "thanks" for ban of russian corrupted officials visits to eu
    3. Asian markets have higher prices on liquefied gas already today so exporters of liquefied gas will prefer their markets, not european. And according to forecasts situation will not change in the long term.
    4. Next gas deal with China will touch field of resources from which europe currently getting russian gas, i.e. europe will be partly replaced by china

    HAHAHA skinny hand of hunger is coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton, Bear's den View Post
    1. Chinese already ready to pay the same price as Europeans to avoid nature pollution by coal.
    2. EU sanctions are joke, I even must say "thanks" for ban of russian corrupted officials visits to eu
    3. Asian markets have higher prices on liquefied gas already today so exporters of liquefied gas will prefer their markets, not european. And according to forecasts situation will not change in the long term.
    4. Next gas deal with China will touch field of resources from which europe currently getting russian gas, i.e. europe will be partly replaced by china

    HAHAHA skinny hand of hunger is coming
    Well, laugh while you can, but Russia is going down now and you are not realizing it yet. Putin is going to hell with his foreign, underhand adventures, because his little incompetent friends in eastern Ukraine have ****** up big time five days ago. He can't cover that up. In other words: ISOLATION, lets see how it prosper under these conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophialake View Post
    Europeans don’t want any more to tolerate governments' aloofness, economic dysfunction and incapacity to calm the alienation felt by citizens. The most evident proof of this fact is the results of the election to the European Parliament held between 22 and 25 May 2014. They have demonstrated an unprecedented surge in popularity of the far-right, anti-EU parties. The influence of Eurosceptic parties have been underestimated for a long time. And now with one third in the EU parliament the eurosceptics will have an important say in the European legislation. The results have turned to be a blow to the governments, with the French PM even calling the result “a political earthquake.”The fact is, Europeans started to support those who promise them independence and freedom from inflexible and damaging EU legislation, to reduce bureaucracy, overcome financial crisis and rising unemployment, cope with uncontrolled immigration. Such parties as Marine Le Pen's far right National Front (France), Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party, True Finns (Finland) and some others persuade Europeans of the necessity to develop their states as individual, sovereign countries. And these arguments resonate with many people.The anti-EU public mood shows also great political confrontation fatigue. People don’t want a new Cold War. And, of course, every right-minded person in Europe agrees with Marine Le Pen that “It's not in line with traditional, friendly relations nor with the economic interests of our country or EU countries and harms future relations.”Europeans are absolutely sure that the European Union must change, but these reforms will be now strongly influenced by anti-EU parties, acting inside the organization, and the future of the united Europe is becoming more and more cloudy.
    Once economy recovers people's point of view will move again to the center and tolerance will return. The rise of the right is only temporary and typical to times of crisis.

    Welcome to Eupedia sophialake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Once economy recovers people's point of view will move again to the center and tolerance will return. The rise of the right is only temporary and typical to times of crisis.

    Welcome to Eupedia sophialake.
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    It is in people's nature to complain and point fingers at others. In this thread I sense an attitude of entitlement. Members expect the EU to solve their problems, but nobody wants to take responsibility to solve anything. There is no magical EU, you all are the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamani View Post
    It is in people's nature to complain and point fingers at others. In this thread I sense an attitude of entitlement. Members expect the EU to solve their problems, but nobody wants to take responsibility to solve anything. There is no magical EU, you all are the EU.
    EU started as community for coal and steel, so countries do not have to face another war,
    by time ment stabilization, loyalty, progress,
    after the big leaders, modern Europe seems to be not balanced, among peoples will, corporations will, and bankers will,
    EU needs new leaders, to be wanted again by people, and not corporation managers to rule the Union

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamani View Post
    It is in people's nature to complain and point fingers at others. In this thread I sense an attitude of entitlement. Members expect the EU to solve their problems, but nobody wants to take responsibility to solve anything. There is no magical EU, you all are the EU.
    How true, could not agree more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    Your Avatar is very funny, however I do not think that it is a good idea to continue fighting each other.
    I agree with you ;)

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    Greece will drop euro. Russians are steping up them in this direction

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    I hope not, atleat not in its current form. Europe, is not ready for a that vast union. There has to be high level of muterel understanding and identification among people, and Europe is to big for that. The EU will as we know it, will be downsizes, people are tired, of seeing EU getting more and more power. I live in Denmark, why do I have to pay, for the Greeks, cheating their way in to the EU currency, and some East European countries, people I do not identify with at all, culturelly or morally?
    No doubt in the long run, EU also a big EU is a good thing, and great idea, but the countries, most be at a higher standard, to join. We are too far part atm.

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    EU will survive out of necessity, and it has to become entirely self-sufficient and self-reliant. That means little trade and outsourcing with outside nations. With 3rd world countries that many times outnumber Europe, gaining more and more of the production means that are being outsourced there, and providing great competition, the quality of life in Europe will "leak out" slowly towards them, unless the borders are sewn up.Europe survived many years ahead of others due to the others' lack of education and lack of productivity, but it will soon be torn apart and end up like Detroit if it doesn't close up it's economical borders.

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    better the European Union fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten F Hansen View Post
    I hope not, atleat not in its current form. Europe, is not ready for a that vast union. There has to be high level of muterel understanding and identification among people, and Europe is to big for that. The EU will as we know it, will be downsizes, people are tired, of seeing EU getting more and more power. I live in Denmark, why do I have to pay, for the Greeks, cheating their way in to the EU currency, and some East European countries, people I do not identify with at all, culturelly or morally?
    No doubt in the long run, EU also a big EU is a good thing, and great idea, but the countries, most be at a higher standard, to join. We are too far part atm.
    I think it will be good for all European people if the European Union fails and disintegrates. I think some sort of trade agreement between nations is all that would be beneficial. There is no need for the political union. What I see is the big financiers, who are not even European in many cases, are really behind the problems. What it appears is that if they can, behind the scenes using for instance Germany as a front to crush smaller countries like Greece and turn them into protectorates, i.e., strip them of their nationhood and identity, then they will have started the ball rolling. They will move to crush more and more until Europe is owned and controlled by the big financiers. There will not be any nation, not even those that are wealthy and powerful today.

    I hope Greece rejects the Euro and goes back to the Drachma and leaves the European Union. It will pave the path to the European Union disintegrating and Europe surviving as a continent of independent nations with their own identities and political freedoms.

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    Europe has to survive, otherwise there will be WW3. The Euro countries are very hostile to each other, but EU keeps their economic interests together and that is the only reason we have no war in Europe for the last 50 years (asside the Serbia aggression on Bosnia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdvanMelick View Post
    The EU will survive the current crisis in which it is in. Do not worry about that for a minute.
    I'm optimistic too.

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    th future of European Union pass through TTIP today,

    the old Pigs program seems that is an obstacle anymore,

    Brexit will have no meaning if TTIP is signed,

    TTIP is a kind of secondary globalization,
    it is the loss of power from state and people and pass to corporations,
    that means less stress to common human for his vote does not matter,
    but brings hungry unemployment and foreign employess/specialists to Europe,
    although as always the 'angel' say that prosper will come, and things will be cheaper,
    well yes i may buy iphone6 from 749 E to 499E but the only work I could find will be low salary
    so again will be difficult to buy iphone6

    PS
    I use the device as an example,

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    I think EU will survive because people of Europe want this union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Money talks, bulshit walks.
    shoot the bullshit, they splash, they spread, they will be everywhere
    shoot the money, they cry, they shut down their mouth, they hide in scycrapers,

    ' and justice for all'




    just prepair,


    ''The ultimate in vanity
    Exploiting their supremacy
    I can't believe the things you say''


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    when Roman empire decline
    they shell the title of Ceasar for millions of denarii,
    and they made 'commedian emperrors'
    today we made actors as presidents and billionaires as Ceasars

    Ahahahaha


    doom is upon the ones who shold their shoul
    new religion is coming and is not 'new order'
    AHAHAHAHA
    remember Υπατια
    and at least die FREE with dignity,
    something that both communism and capitalism took it away from our souls,


    CHEAP HOLIDAY ON OTHER PEOPLE MISSERY
    nahhhhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    shoot the bullshit, they splash, they spread, they will be everywhere
    shoot the money, they cry, they shut down their mouth, they hide in scycrapers,

    ' and justice for all'




    just prepair,


    ''The ultimate in vanity
    Exploiting their supremacy
    I can't believe the things you say''


    PS
    when Roman empire decline
    they shell the title of Ceasar for millions of denarii,
    and they made 'commedian emperrors'
    today we made actors as presidents and billionaires as Ceasars

    Ahahahaha


    doom is upon the ones who shold their shoul
    new religion is coming and is not 'new order'
    AHAHAHAHA
    remember Υπατια
    and at least die FREE with dignity,
    something that both communism and capitalism took it away from our souls,


    CHEAP HOLIDAY ON OTHER PEOPLE MISSERY
    nahhhhh
    Yetos, what happened to Occupy movement, and your prediction of end of capitalism? This is how bulshit walks. You should realise by now that your understanding how world works is faulty.

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