Politics Will European Union Survive?

One has to take into consideration though that coal is one of the dirtiest ways of producing energy, although cheaper. China's evolving economy and people demand environmental reforms, and in order to do that they will have to invest in cleaner energy, i.e. natural gas, solar energy etc.

That's true however it doesn't look like the Chinese government is about to speed up the process to achieve that goal. As I said it will take several years before they can use the Russian gas. And Russia needs the money urgently, if something is about to happen to the gas delivery to Europe.
 
That's true however it doesn't look like the Chinese government is about to speed up the process to achieve that goal. As I said it will take several years before they can use the Russian gas. And Russia needs the money urgently, if something is about to happen to the gas delivery to Europe.

Europe needs energy to feed its industry. Capital rules after all, so do not believe what politicians say, especially when they talk about punishing Russia.
 
Well, UK surprises me not all, it only joined the EU to have a say about the regulation: if you are not at the menu, you are on the menu. Switzerland and Norway are not member of the EU but still they have to apply EU regulation if they deal with the EU. So in that case you have no political influence on the EU regulation, but you have to follow the EU regulations anyway.

France is a bit more of a worry and the Netherlands well Wilders had better days.
 
EU will survive and regarding energy, EU has been contemplating on several plans for more then 10 years on how to get independent from Russian gas, and now is the time to put those plans at work.
 
Its going there,if not it seems England will be the first country out.

Britian has been Euro sceptic since it joined the EU in 1973 (EEC at the time) Its still there today in 2014. And the present prime minister David Cameron has said many times he is totally in favour of staying in. Whats new?
 
Britian has been Euro sceptic since it joined the EU in 1973 (EEC at the time) Its still there today in 2014. And the present prime minister David Cameron has said many times he is totally in favour of staying in. Whats new?

What's new is that if the EU wants to survive, it's going to have to at some point shed marginal member countries, most of them because their economies are under-developed but Britain because it's not as committed to the EU concept. However, even such a radical change won't solve the ongoing problem of German manufacturing efficiency sucking money out of countries like Spain and Italy. As an economic unit, the EU may not be sustainable in the long run. However, as a political unit, I think it's been a splendid success, even if the Brits don't seem to recognize that. The EU has prevented European countries from becoming hostile with one another and provides a sense of security against the Russian bear, so that countries like Germany don't have to over-militarize.
 
Europe needs more integration. Only united Europe can compete with the giants of other continents. It is possible that federalists lead Europe in the right direction.
 
What's new is that if the EU wants to survive, it's going to have to at some point shed marginal member countries, most of them because their economies are under-developed but Britain because it's not as committed to the EU concept. However, even such a radical change won't solve the ongoing problem of German manufacturing efficiency sucking money out of countries like Spain and Italy. As an economic unit, the EU may not be sustainable in the long run. However, as a political unit, I think it's been a splendid success, even if the Brits don't seem to recognize that. The EU has prevented European countries from becoming hostile with one another and provides a sense of security against the Russian bear, so that countries like Germany don't have to over-militarize.

EU will not succeed because they have national governments within it..........destroy the nations in the EU, make it regional representation and then the EU will prosper.
Nations have far too much power in the EU
 
EU will not succeed because they have national governments within it..........destroy the nations in the EU, make it regional representation and then the EU will prosper.
Nations have far too much power in the EU
It will survive because there are stronger forces in work here than national agendas. The main force is economical. Stronger countries and their companies have access to almost all European people as consumers and working force. Smaller countries receive financial help and their people can work across Europe too. This greatly unleashes human potential and make Europe economically stronger.
As they say, "Money talks, bulshit walks."
 
What Anton didn't mention is that China does not need Russian gas, because they still prefer coal from China and gas from Turkmenistan (and of course China itself). The Chinese didn't want to pay as much as the Europeans, so it is only now when Europe is thinking about alternatives that Russia agrees with the much lower price for gas that China wants to pay.

Anyway the pipeline that transports the Russian gas is ready in 2018. In the meantime it might get difficult to find buyers for Russian gas if it became sanctioned by the EU.

see also:
www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-will-putins-incitement-of-violence-in-ukraine-blow-back-home/

1. Chinese already ready to pay the same price as Europeans to avoid nature pollution by coal.
2. EU sanctions are joke, I even must say "thanks" for ban of russian corrupted officials visits to eu
3. Asian markets have higher prices on liquefied gas already today so exporters of liquefied gas will prefer their markets, not european. And according to forecasts situation will not change in the long term.
4. Next gas deal with China will touch field of resources from which europe currently getting russian gas, i.e. europe will be partly replaced by china

HAHAHA skinny hand of hunger is coming
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1. Chinese already ready to pay the same price as Europeans to avoid nature pollution by coal.
2. EU sanctions are joke, I even must say "thanks" for ban of russian corrupted officials visits to eu
3. Asian markets have higher prices on liquefied gas already today so exporters of liquefied gas will prefer their markets, not european. And according to forecasts situation will not change in the long term.
4. Next gas deal with China will touch field of resources from which europe currently getting russian gas, i.e. europe will be partly replaced by china

HAHAHA skinny hand of hunger is coming
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Well, laugh while you can, but Russia is going down now and you are not realizing it yet. Putin is going to hell with his foreign, underhand adventures, because his little incompetent friends in eastern Ukraine have ****** up big time five days ago. He can't cover that up. In other words: ISOLATION, lets see how it prosper under these conditions.
 
Europeans don’t want any more to tolerate governments' aloofness, economic dysfunction and incapacity to calm the alienation felt by citizens. The most evident proof of this fact is the results of the election to the European Parliament held between 22 and 25 May 2014. They have demonstrated an unprecedented surge in popularity of the far-right, anti-EU parties. The influence of Eurosceptic parties have been underestimated for a long time. And now with one third in the EU parliament the eurosceptics will have an important say in the European legislation. The results have turned to be a blow to the governments, with the French PM even calling the result “a political earthquake.”The fact is, Europeans started to support those who promise them independence and freedom from inflexible and damaging EU legislation, to reduce bureaucracy, overcome financial crisis and rising unemployment, cope with uncontrolled immigration. Such parties as Marine Le Pen's far right National Front (France), Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party, True Finns (Finland) and some others persuade Europeans of the necessity to develop their states as individual, sovereign countries. And these arguments resonate with many people.The anti-EU public mood shows also great political confrontation fatigue. People don’t want a new Cold War. And, of course, every right-minded person in Europe agrees with Marine Le Pen that “It's not in line with traditional, friendly relations nor with the economic interests of our country or EU countries and harms future relations.”Europeans are absolutely sure that the European Union must change, but these reforms will be now strongly influenced by anti-EU parties, acting inside the organization, and the future of the united Europe is becoming more and more cloudy.
Once economy recovers people's point of view will move again to the center and tolerance will return. The rise of the right is only temporary and typical to times of crisis.

Welcome to Eupedia sophialake.
 
Once economy recovers people's point of view will move again to the center and tolerance will return. The rise of the right is only temporary and typical to times of crisis.

Welcome to Eupedia sophialake.

what about WW2 how much was that time?
 
It is in people's nature to complain and point fingers at others. In this thread I sense an attitude of entitlement. Members expect the EU to solve their problems, but nobody wants to take responsibility to solve anything. There is no magical EU, you all are the EU.
 
It is in people's nature to complain and point fingers at others. In this thread I sense an attitude of entitlement. Members expect the EU to solve their problems, but nobody wants to take responsibility to solve anything. There is no magical EU, you all are the EU.

EU started as community for coal and steel, so countries do not have to face another war,
by time ment stabilization, loyalty, progress,
after the big leaders, modern Europe seems to be not balanced, among peoples will, corporations will, and bankers will,
EU needs new leaders, to be wanted again by people, and not corporation managers to rule the Union
 
It is in people's nature to complain and point fingers at others. In this thread I sense an attitude of entitlement. Members expect the EU to solve their problems, but nobody wants to take responsibility to solve anything. There is no magical EU, you all are the EU.
How true, could not agree more!
 
Greece will drop euro. Russians are steping up them in this direction
 

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