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    Will European Union Survive?



    Should Eurosceptics do well in the elections, this may have crucial impacts in Europe.


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    Will European Union Survive?

    No it will not, I am say with 100% assurance

    just look at these clown debates

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    Your Avatar is very funny, however I do not think that it is a good idea to continue fighting each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton, Bear's den View Post
    No it will not, I am say with 100% assurance

    just look at these clown debates
    Give the time frame for EU collapse. I want to know when to call you to hear that you were wrong.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    Your Avatar is very funny, however I do not think that it is a good idea to continue fighting each other.
    that polak sending me messages that will block me soon I will complain to the European Court of Human Rights!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton, Bear's den View Post
    that polak sending me messages that will block me soon I will complain to the European Court of Human Rights!!!
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    Keep it calm Russian bro, hehe! As you can see, people living in Western Europe or the New World have a different behaviour towards many aspects of life. I have my " differences " with LeBrok as well most of the times. But it is fine I suppose. I do not keep a grudge on him.

    P.S. Russia strong, especially after the new cooperation with China for the natural gas !

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    Will European Union Survive?
    Not if Putin has something to say about it.





    Last edited by LeBrok; 20-05-14 at 06:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Not if America has something to say about it.



    We had difficulties in the past and we survived. A nation like 'Murica cannot stand the glory of Europe and its people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    We had difficulties in the past and we survived. A nation like 'Murica cannot stand the glory of Europe and its people!
    Don't you live in America? I just had a vision, it's not the holy trinity its the holy quadinity: Father, son, holy spirit, and Vladimir Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Don't you live in America? I just had a vision, it's not the holy trinity its the holy quadinity: Father, son, holy spirit, and Vladimir Putin.
    My heart is in Europe always !

    P.S. If I am not mistaken Russia has more atomic bombs than the rest of the world combined.

    P.S.2 The bombs are falling to Finland.

    P.S.3 I thought Putin was elected via democratic procedures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    My heart is in Europe always !
    Really? The place you can't find brothers?! Your heart is only in Greece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Really? The place you can't find brothers?! Your heart is only in Greece.
    Why don't you make like a tree and ****.
    You always have something to say. Anton is right ....

    You may not have close bros, but you can still make friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    P.S. Russia strong, especially after the new cooperation with China for the natural gas !
    If europeans don't want to buy gas then China will buy and with Chinese is easier to have deal - they don't rape brains with "democracy" and other such stuff. Greeks invented some really evil thing in the past! hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    Not if Putin has something to say about it.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton, Bear's den View Post
    If europeans don't want to buy gas then China will buy and with Chinese is easier to have deal - they don't rape brains with "democracy" and other such stuff. Greeks invented some really evil thing in the past! hehehe
    Since benevolent social planners do not exist, at least for the whole period of their rule, democracy is the best regime that we have.

    What you need to have in politics and generally in decision making processes, is a group of people that can actually criticize you---assuming that they are not corrupted and they act for the well being of those that they represent.

    For example the regime in Sparta, although oligarchic, had two kings, and the 5 Έφοροι had power to take them down.

    Absolute power is problematic indeed, as human nature is malicious per se, in the sense that, somehow, you will look for your well being. A ruler should not do that. He needs to care about his subjects and the well-functioning of the society and not himself.

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    If Greece survives, so will the EU

    By the way Wilders and his European partners have to find at least 8 or 7 parties. If Vlaams belang does not get enough votes, Wilders and co will have a problem to form a eurosceptic faction.

    update NL EU elections (37 % counted):
    Wilders party seems to have lost two seats of five, so his Euroscepticism did not rewarded him as many had thought.
    Last edited by Christiaan; 22-05-14 at 23:07. Reason: update elecetions NL

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    What Anton didn't mention is that China does not need Russian gas, because they still prefer coal from China and gas from Turkmenistan (and of course China itself). The Chinese didn't want to pay as much as the Europeans, so it is only now when Europe is thinking about alternatives that Russia agrees with the much lower price for gas that China wants to pay.

    Anyway the pipeline that transports the Russian gas is ready in 2018. In the meantime it might get difficult to find buyers for Russian gas if it became sanctioned by the EU.

    see also:
    www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-will-putins-incitement-of-violence-in-ukraine-blow-back-home/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    What Anton didn't mention is that China does not need Russian gas, because they still prefer coal from China and gas from Turkmenistan (and of course China itself). The Chinese didn't want to pay as much as the Europeans, so it is only now when Europe is thinking about alternatives that Russia agrees with the much lower price for gas that China wants to pay.

    Anyway the pipeline that transports the Russian gas is ready in 2018. In the meantime it might get difficult to find buyers for Russian gas if it became sanctioned by the EU.

    see also:
    www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-will-putins-incitement-of-violence-in-ukraine-blow-back-home/

    One has to take into consideration though that coal is one of the dirtiest ways of producing energy, although cheaper. China's evolving economy and people demand environmental reforms, and in order to do that they will have to invest in cleaner energy, i.e. natural gas, solar energy etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    If Greece survives, so will the EU

    By the way Wilders and his European partners have to find at least 8 or 7 parties. If Vlaams belang does not get enough votes, Wilders and co will have a problem to form a eurosceptic faction.

    update NL EU elections (37 % counted):
    Wilders party seems to have lost two seats of five, so his Euroscepticism did not rewarded him as many had thought.
    The real deal is the growing change in Britain. UKIP seems to be third or fourth party.

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    If the EU does not reform it will go bust. England elections just showed it. France it seems will follow so does Netherlands. If they allow referendum in Germany they will follow. In current form the EU can not function. Imagine the parliament has 1000 members. That's a huge meeting by any standard. Imagine now Balkans, Turkey,Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and who knows else, in the union!!! Simply a conglomerate cultures ungovernable! I liked the idea of three tier Europe they once circulated. Fist tier the Nordics forming a political union and same currency union, second tier the immediate countries to EU having an political but not monetary union, and the late comers just an economic union, no political, no currency union. Its going there, if not it seems England will be the first country out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    One has to take into consideration though that coal is one of the dirtiest ways of producing energy, although cheaper. China's evolving economy and people demand environmental reforms, and in order to do that they will have to invest in cleaner energy, i.e. natural gas, solar energy etc.
    That's true however it doesn't look like the Chinese government is about to speed up the process to achieve that goal. As I said it will take several years before they can use the Russian gas. And Russia needs the money urgently, if something is about to happen to the gas delivery to Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    That's true however it doesn't look like the Chinese government is about to speed up the process to achieve that goal. As I said it will take several years before they can use the Russian gas. And Russia needs the money urgently, if something is about to happen to the gas delivery to Europe.
    Europe needs energy to feed its industry. Capital rules after all, so do not believe what politicians say, especially when they talk about punishing Russia.

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    Well, UK surprises me not all, it only joined the EU to have a say about the regulation: if you are not at the menu, you are on the menu. Switzerland and Norway are not member of the EU but still they have to apply EU regulation if they deal with the EU. So in that case you have no political influence on the EU regulation, but you have to follow the EU regulations anyway.

    France is a bit more of a worry and the Netherlands well Wilders had better days.

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    Europe needs energy to feed its industry. Capital rules after all, so do not believe what politicians say, especially when they talk about punishing Russia.
    The harbours for fluid gas are already built, we don't need the Russian gas if we don't want to.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LNG_terminals
    Last edited by Christiaan; 23-05-14 at 22:13. Reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LNG_terminals

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    EU will survive and regarding energy, EU has been contemplating on several plans for more then 10 years on how to get independent from Russian gas, and now is the time to put those plans at work.

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