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    Question Could a machine or an AI ever feel human-like emotions ?



    Computers will soon be able to simulate the functioning of a human brain. In a near future, artificial superintelligence could become vastly more intellectually capable and versatile than humans. But could machines ever truly experience the whole range of human feelings and emotions, or are there technical limitations ?

    Could a machine or an AI ever feel human-like emotions ?




    This is a follow-up to my article Is it possible to build an artificial superintelligence without fully replicating the human brain ?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenataOstrozzz View Post
    robots can be like humans in the future
    This is pretty ironic, and creepy, considering this is a spam-bot saying this.
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    I highly doubt robots could get close to current humans (consciousness, self-reflection) without some strides in quantum computing.

    As it stands the most complex, highest entropy systems are found within the 3(physcial dimension)/4 Dimensional(+Time) Networks created by Brains, namely Neurons.
    The system has entropy and stores additional vector spaces up to 11 dimensions. If you think I am kidding/playing*(edited per Jovialis suggestion) with ya, follow 3 Brown 1 Blue on youtube and you can understand what encoding a higher dimension into a lower mathematically rigorous structure means. A simple example in principle is conservation of angular momentum in Newtonian Physics.


    Thinking visually about higher dimensions
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwAD6dRSVyI)



    The hardest problem on the hardest test (The way the Romanian Mathematician solved the problem, is basically a proof of how higher dimensional spaces can be encoded/compressed into lower dimensional sequences.
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmNXy7er84)



    (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6418/994)


    • Yaniv Assaf1,2


    "New dimensions for brain mapping"

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    Science 30 Nov 2018:
    Vol. 362, Issue 6418, pp. 994-995
    DOI: 10.1126/science.aav7357


    (https://www.sciencealert.com/science...-11-dimensions)(This one source for the laymen)

    What am I trying to say?

    Well, the center of your brain, whoever is reading this... Is far more complex in nature (entropy, information, for reference research Boltzman and Maxwell (Maxwells Demon specifically) than anything found in the macro cosmological scale.

    Meaning: It is far easier to predict how Planets will rotate around the galaxy, with unmatched accuracy you can predict an eclipse even 100k years from now, than to predict the very next firing of your own Neural Network.


    Interesting read:

    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1407/1407.8314.pdf

    (cite as arXiv:1407.8314 [physics.hist-ph])What does Maxwell's demon want from life?When information becomes functional and physical J. H. van Hateren Johann Bernouilli Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Groningen,Groningen, The Netherlandsemail: [email protected] )

    Note: I disagree with parts of this paper, especially conclusion, but you get the idea...

    Thus I highly doubt the singularity of consciousness as we know it in Humans and living organisms can be replicated in a robot.
    However... I do not expect it to be impossible either... Would just require some Deus Ex Machina.



    Let me muddy the waters with some Metaphysics:

    "(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

    Anyone who has studied, even superficially, the Classical Greek debates regarding material world, or ideal world (Socrates, Plato, Aristotles etc etc, 300-400 Years preceding Jesus) will have a couple of higher dimensional structures in their brain light up when reading the above sentence by Jesus according to the Gospel of Thomas.

    Just like Jesus, if the Gospel of Thomas is to be trusted, I am truly astonished regarding the dual nature of the world as ideal and material.

    How such higher dimensional networks, could be mathematically rigorous in the physical plane... That is truly the wonder of wonders.

    Note: I am using Jesus as depicted by Thomas Judas in the gospel of Thomas found in Nagh Hamadi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library) And thus as a "historical figure".
    For all the Atheists and Agnostics, take it the same way as any readings of Aristotle or Strabo, not religiously, figuratively. For the religious folk, do not take this literally. (I personally doubt Jesus was talking about material wealth in that verse (29))


    Editing to add more sources, since I already got a warning due to my rhetorical style, and have already been called a "ultra-nationalist Balkanist conspiracy theorist" xD;
    At least I, should take responsibility for the burden of proof:




    The “Eleven Dimensional” Brain? Topology of Neural Networks

    By Neuroskeptic | July 17, 2017 3:21 pm

    (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ne.../#.XFdoPlVKjIU)


    Higher-Dimensional Neurons Explain the Tuning and Dynamics of Working Memory Cells

    (http://www.jneurosci.org/content/26/1)

    Ray Singh and Chris Eliasmith
    Journal of Neuroscience 5 April 2006, 26 (14) 3667-3678; DOI: 4/3667)
    (http://sci-hub.tw/10.1523/JNEUROSCI.4864-05.2006)




    The multi-dimensional universe hiding inside your head

    A model from the Blue Brain Project describes the brain as being made up of ‘multi-dimensional’ geometrical structures and spaces

    By ABIGAIL BEALL
    Monday 12 June 2017
    (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/neur...network-brains)



    Why neurons mix: high dimensionality for highercognition
    Stefano Fusi1, Earl K Miller2 and Mattia Rigotti3

    (https://www.matrig.net/publications/...s/fusi2016.pdf)


    Neurons in the human brain actually form 11-dimensional structures

    LAST UPDATED ON JUNE 12TH, 2017 AT 10:29 PM BY TIBI PUIU

    (https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/...al-structures/)
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    You cannot use this kind of inappropriate language on the forum. Moving forward, please articulate your points without using profanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    You cannot use this kind of inappropriate language on the forum. Moving forward, please articulate your points without using profanity.
    Will keep in mind, thank you. Going ahead and editing the inappropriate verb to "kidding".

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    Even if technologically possible, the last thing we need are emotional robots. They will demand equal treatment and rights, or worse. Emotionless robot is a perfect slave and let's keep it this way.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    I've been reading some blog posts related to AI on Svitla Systems website and now I find this, I am really getting interested in the whole concept. Maybe you guys know some books on the topic that would be understandable for a newbie?

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    It is true that humanoid robots can think like humans and respond to queries and questions like humans. But that doesn't make the humanoid robots can feel and have emotions like real HUMANS.

    Human emotions are powered by hormones or nervous signals, which is natural in its nature. For a Robot recreating the same emotion human has, based on the situation is not possible. Reason: they works on algorithms and micro-chip, not on instincts or nerve-signals.

    Even if the scientists able to create the algorithm to replicate the emotions of humans, I strongly believe it will not be as same or accurate as human's. We humans always rely on our instinct and cognitive abilities to connect different events/situations in our life and respond accordingly.
    That might be a challenge for robots when it come to emotions.

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