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    Makin a map of EEF, WHG and ANE admixtures in Europe. Please post your data.

    In order to make such maps we need a lot of data from all over the Europe. By the nature of this data collection it will be a self reporting project. It is not the best way, but it might be the only way to gather data for these maps. Please post your EEF, WHG, EEF numbers with place of birth, or place of birth of your parents if they came from different region than you were born in.

    Little explanation of these admixtures:

    These admixtures can roughly tell you about your origin.
    WHG - West Hunter Gatherers, were the Mesolithic Europeans spread pretty much all over the Europe around 10 to 5 thousand BCE.
    EEF - Early European Farmers, were the Neolithic inhabitants of Europe, the first farmers who came 10 thousand years ago from Near East and first settled in Balkans and the rest of South Europe. In next 5 thousand years they've spread to every corner of Europe.
    ANE - Ancient North Eurasians, the hunter-gatherers and nomads from far East Europe and Central Asia. Latest research papers point to Indo-Europeans bringing ANE to every place in Europe.

    Example:
    Poland, Siedlce (country, city or region)
    EEF - 45
    WHG - 39
    ANE - 16

    One can say that I'm 39% very ancient European, 45% farmer from Near East, and 16% Indo-European. Or that I'm 55% Hunter-Gatherer and 45% Farmer.

    More information:
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/201...est-three.html

    Some data from the paper by Lazaridis:
    EEF WHG ANE
    0.781 0.092 0.127 -- Albanian
    0.931 0 0.069 -- Ashkenazi_Jew
    0.593 0.293 0.114 -- Basque
    0.418 0.431 0.151 -- Belorussian
    0.715 0.177 0.108 -- Bergamo
    0.712 0.147 0.141 -- Bulgarian
    0.561 0.293 0.145 -- Croatian
    0.495 0.338 0.167 -- Czech
    0.495 0.364 0.141 -- English
    0.322 0.495 0.183 -- Estonian
    0.554 0.311 0.135 -- French
    0.675 0.195 0.13 -- French_South
    0.792 0.058 0.151 -- Greek
    0.558 0.264 0.179 -- Hungarian
    0.394 0.456 0.15 -- Icelandic
    0.364 0.464 0.172 -- Lithuanian
    0.932 0 0.068 -- Maltese
    0.411 0.428 0.161 -- Norwegian
    0.457 0.385 0.158 -- Orcadian
    0.713 0.125 0.163 -- Pais_Vasco
    0.817 0.175 0.008 -- Sardinian
    0.39 0.428 0.182 -- Scottish
    0.903 0 0.097 -- Sicilian
    0.809 0.068 0.123 -- Spanish
    0.746 0.136 0.118 -- Tuscan
    0.462 0.387 0.151 -- Ukrainian



    Here is the explanation how you can calculate your admixtures:
    http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/1...europeans.html
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    Maps done by Maciamo









    I only created rough maps on data above and some guesswork. They will be updated and improved when more data comes in.

    ANE map.jpgWHG map.jpg
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    Last edited by LeBrok; 14-03-15 at 23:16.

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    I think the best place to start would be the academic data from Lazaridis et al, yes? It's on page 10 of the supplement. Of course you'd have to choose which set is most informative.
    http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/s...1/001552-1.pdf

    Ed. Sorry, cross post, or is it? I'll have to check if the Eurogenes figures are lifted from the study, and if so, which he chose...

    Ed. Yes, it's the individual fit column. The Finns, Mordovians and Russians couldn't be done.


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    Interesting that at least two of the low frequency areas for ANE are non-Indo European speaking areas: Basque country, and part of Toscana.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Interesting that at least two of the low frequency areas for ANE are non-Indo European speaking areas: Basque country, and part of Toscana.

    Yes, and also interestingly the other none IE, Hungarians and Finns, are heavily ANE. Obviously other Asiatic peoples like Huns, Turks and Siberians brought more ANE with them. ANE wasn't exclusive to IE obviously.

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    I don't think the averages fit for Basque-like people. País Vasco possess 5% more ANE than "Basques", when everyone who's being following amateur projects knows that both samples are almost identical. So everything should be taken with caution while creating the averages.

    Mine (Catalonia)

    EEF 66,70916
    WHG 23,20789
    ANE 10,08295

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    with these numbers

    0.715 0.177 0.108 -- Bergamo
    0.712 0.147 0.141 -- Bulgarian
    0.675 0.195 0.13 -- French_South
    0.713 0.125 0.163 -- Pais_Vasco ..................................hmm, does it mean Paese Vasconic in Italian...I know its basque area?

    0.692 0.202 0.106 for me , would mean I fit in the above group, where and for what reason did you merge ANE and WHG
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    The latest Academic [Lazaridis] figures from April 2014;
    p.111: http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/s...4/001552-3.pdf

    EEF WHG ANE
    Albanian: 78.1 / 9.2 / 12.7
    Ashkenazi_Jew: 93.1 / 0 / 6.9
    Basque: 59.3 / 29.3 / 11.4
    Belarusian: 41.8 / 43.1 / 15.1
    Bergamo: 71.5 / 17.7 / 10.8
    Bulgarian: 71.2 / 14.7 / 14.1
    Croatian: 56.1 / 29.3 / 14.5
    Czech: 49.5 / 33.8 / 16.7
    English: 49.5 / 36.4 / 14.1
    Estonian: 32.2 / 49.5 / 18.3
    French: 55.4 / 31.1 / 13.5
    French_South: 67.5 / 19.5 / 13
    Greek: 79.2 / 5.8 / 15.1
    Hungarian: 55.8 / 26.4 / 17.9
    Icelandic: 39.4 / 45.6 / 15
    Lithuanian: 36.4 / 46.4 / 17.2
    Maltese: 93.2 / 0 / 6.8
    Norwegian: 41.1 / 42.8 / 16.1
    Orcadian: 45.7 / 38.5 / 15.8
    Sardinian: 81.7 / 17.5 / 0.8
    Scottish: 39 / 42.8 / 18.2
    Sicilian: 90.3 / 0 / 9.7
    Spainish: 80.9 / 6.8 / 12.3
    Spainish_North: 71.3 / 12.5 / 16.3
    Tuscan: 74.6 / 13.6 / 11.8
    Ukrainian: 46.2 / 38.7 / 15.1

    The SHG (Sandinavian Hunter-gatherers) seem to be having ANE admixture as well;

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    I think I know what happened. Spanish_North includes Basques and Northern Spaniards. Dienekes' separated the real Basque individuals from the rest, calling this group País_Vasco. Seems like Lazaridis (aka Dienekes') forgot to change the nomenclature he was using in the Dodecad Project...LOL!

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    Father Poland, Silesia:


    EEF 42.59
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    ANE 16.99

    My results German + Polish
    EEF 45.15
    WHG 38.67
    ANE 16.17

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    If anyone finds others posting their admixtures on other sites please copy them here with the link to the site. Thanks

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    There is a version of Davidski to determine the WHG_ANE_EEF numbers for Europeans, and than there is a modified version for Near Eastern People made by the User MfA.

    Here are some of the results using the Near Eastern calculator.

    in %

    Farmer ANE
    Abhkasian 81.624 18.376
    Adygei 77.277 22.723
    Armenian 85.268 14.732
    Assyrian 86.060 13.940
    Azeri_Jewish 85.193 14.807
    Balkar 76.829 23.171
    Bedouin 88.518 11.482
    Chechen 74.115 25.885
    Cyprian 87.699 12.301
    Egyptian 89.463 10.537
    Georgian 81.341 18.659
    Georgian_Jewish 85.408 14.592
    Iranian 81.214 18.786
    Jordanian 88.066 11.934
    Kumyk 76.692 23.308
    Kurdish 81.681 18.319
    Leb_Christian 89.343 10.657
    Leb_Druze 87.671 12.329
    Leb_Muslim 87.091 12.909
    Lezgin 73.664 26.336
    North_Ossetian 76.558 23.442
    Palestinian 88.460 11.540
    Samaritan 89.480 10.520
    Saudi 90.089 9.911
    Syrian 87.186 12.814
    Turkish 82.305 17.695
    Yemenite_Jewish 90.991 9.009

    Note: the few percentage of East African (as example in the Saudi samples) admixture get eaten up by "Farmer".

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...re-Proportions




    results with Davidskis Calculator

    The minus infront of WHG is no tipping mistake, they do score negative for that. mostly Assyrians get weird results with this Calculator, the lack of WHG might be the reason.

    Kurds

    Kurd 1 = EEF: 85,5% WHG: 4,4% ANE: 10,1%
    Kurd 2 = EEF 85.4% WHG 4.1% ANE 10.5%
    Kurd 3 = EEF 91.1% WHG -0.2% ANE 9.2%



    Assyrians

    Average Assyrian = EEF 100% WHG -7.03% ANE 6.81%



    Iranians

    Iranian 1 = EEF 84.8% WHG 4.8% ANE 10.4%



    Turks

    Turk 1 = EEF 91.4% WHG -0.2% ANE 8.7%
    Turk 2 = EEF 95.7% WHG -3.7% ANE 7.9%







    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...eans-split-mod
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    I don't think it is smart to make a map like how Maciamo does, but it can be useful and help learn what how each is distributed. Some Europeans also have ancestry from other populations(i.e. east Asians and Sub Saharan, Africans) and their Eurogenes K13 conversion-WHG EEF ANE scores will not be 100% accurate. The best way to get an idea how Laz's WHG, EEF, and ANE is distributed in Europe is to print out an outline map of Europe off the internet and write in the percentages with pencil or make pie charts on excel and glue them on the map.

    The EEF component probably sucks in all middle eastern ancestry that does not have a Neolithic origin in Europe, so should just stand for middle eastern ancestry. Askenazi Jews score 93.1 EEF, and most of that is probably recent modern-like middle eastern ancestry. We also have to remember that Stuttgart aka EEF had some WHG ancestry. After the Laz genomes are accessible and the paper with 3,00-9,000YBP Russian genomes is published, amateurs like Dienekes and Davidski will probably make very accurate calculators for predicting ANE, WHG, middle eastern ancestry percentages in Europe.

    Davidski created two Mammoth-ME-ENA-SSA admixtures, where the mammoth reference is either La Brana-1 or MA1. Based on those admixtures and Laz's EEF-WHG-ANE test I think Stuttgart had ~20% WHG ancestry. If you recalculate results WHG goes way up and EEF way down. When I saw the recalculated results of Baltic people it is shocking that there are still people with so much Mesolithic ancestry, they are ~70% hunter gatherer(over 50% WHG!!) and only ~30% middle eastern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    I don't think it is smart to make a map like how Maciamo does, but it can be useful and help learn what how each is distributed. Some Europeans also have ancestry from other populations(i.e. east Asians and Sub Saharan, Africans) and their Eurogenes K13 conversion-WHG EEF ANE scores will not be 100% accurate. The best way to get an idea how Laz's WHG, EEF, and ANE is distributed in Europe is to print out an outline map of Europe off the internet and write in the percentages with pencil or make pie charts on excel and glue them on the map.

    The EEF component probably sucks in all middle eastern ancestry that does not have a Neolithic origin in Europe, so should just stand for middle eastern ancestry. Askenazi Jews score 93.1 EEF, and most of that is probably recent modern-like middle eastern ancestry. We also have to remember that Stuttgart aka EEF had some WHG ancestry. After the Laz genomes are accessible and the paper with 3,00-9,000YBP Russian genomes is published, amateurs like Dienekes and Davidski will probably make very accurate calculators for predicting ANE, WHG, middle eastern ancestry percentages in Europe.

    Davidski created two Mammoth-ME-ENA-SSA admixtures, where the mammoth reference is either La Brana-1 or MA1. Based on those admixtures and Laz's EEF-WHG-ANE test I think Stuttgart had ~20% WHG ancestry. If you recalculate results WHG goes way up and EEF way down. When I saw the recalculated results of Baltic people it is shocking that there are still people with so much Mesolithic ancestry, they are ~70% hunter gatherer(over 50% WHG!!) and only ~30% middle eastern.

    if he makes a map like maciano does based on the ethnic markers known, he can then place us individuals on it to basically plot us. In this way we can at least get a trend

    What are you scared of?

    We do not need to place the ancient at this point in time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    if he makes a map like maciano does based on the ethnic markers known, he can then place us individuals on it to basically plot us. In this way we can at least get a trend

    What are you scared of?

    We do not need to place the ancient at this point in time

    The percentages may not be totally accurate, European's ancestry may be more complicated than three stone age populations(we already know it is for some), and in no way should EEF-WHG-ANE percentages be used to discover what region of Europe someone descends from(for example Irish, Polish, and Norse score have very similar proportions).

    I am scared of using a bad technique to understand the distribution of EEF, WHG, and ANE(Maciamo's maps are not very informative). The best ways in my opinion can only be done personally but if you want to show others and discuss ideas maps like Maciamo's are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    The percentages may not be totally accurate, European's ancestry may be more complicated than three stone age populations(we already know it is for some), and in no way should EEF-WHG-ANE percentages be used to discover what region of Europe someone descends from(for example Irish, Polish, and Norse score have very similar proportions).

    I am scared of using a bad technique to understand the distribution of EEF, WHG, and ANE(Maciamo's maps are not very informative). The best ways in my opinion can only be done personally but if you want to show others and discuss ideas maps like Maciamo's are good.
    Are you saying my numbers for myself are fabricated and that the ethnic numbers are fabricated?

    if not...........then we have 2 data points we can see in Europe

    Again, why not let people decide their own areas of Europe with the numbers they have....again , what are you afraid of

    I seen far more bad techniques in eurogenes, dienekes, ftdna , 23andme to warrant this to not proceed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    The percentages may not be totally accurate, European's ancestry may be more complicated than three stone age populations(we already know it is for some), and in no way should EEF-WHG-ANE percentages be used to discover what region of Europe someone descends from(for example Irish, Polish, and Norse score have very similar proportions).

    I am scared of using a bad technique to understand the distribution of EEF, WHG, and ANE(Maciamo's maps are not very informative). The best ways in my opinion can only be done personally but if you want to show others and discuss ideas maps like Maciamo's are good.
    Statistics are never 100% accurate and never tell the story of individuals, as Sile has mentioned they can tell you the trends in populations, how people moved, what was the direction, where your autosomal ancestors came from, and in connection with archaeology and historic records what tribes contributed to your existence, possibly.
    Will it make you a different person? Unlikely, but it is fun to know, or a fun to take this journey. All needed is to open your mind and embrace the journey.

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    EEF = 62.5%
    WHG = 25.6%
    ANE = 11.8%

    Almost equal to the "Southern French"



    Samuli Pahalahti said...Results:
    EEF: 32,49
    WHG: 48,08
    ANE: 19,42

    Ancestry: Finnish.



    About Time said...Awesome. Thanks, all.

    EEF 42.88566032
    WHG 40.69272823
    ANE 16.42161145

    5/8 Irish
    1/4 German+Polish (Pomeranian)
    1/8 Misc. Anglo-American



    Solothurn said...British with all known recent British ancestry :)

    46.82% EEF
    37.84% WHG
    15.35% ANE



    Wulf Talented said...1/8th Polish rest is English.

    Results
    EEF 47.14084739
    WHG 37.31034369
    ANE 15.54880892



    Volodymyr Lutsyk said...West Ukrainian Boyko Highlander:
    Results
    EEF 56.19615948
    WHG 30.02961359
    ANE 13.77422694

    (LeBrok:Boiko (refer to Suabi thread) is 56% EEF! Is it from Cucuteni Farmers Culture?)



    Fanty said...EEF: 50,13553163
    WHG: 35,05970286
    ANE: 14,80476551

    German of mixed backround. Northwest Germans mixed with refugees from the lost eastern parts of the German Empire. One of the refugee grandparents (from Kaliningrad/Königsberg in East Prussia



    António Vitor said...Southern Portuguese (me):
    Early European farmer: 70,794981369
    Western hunter gatherer: 19,6804103377
    Ancient North Eurasian: 9,5246082933.



    Black Taylor said...3/4 British, 1/4 Flemish

    EFF: 47.60
    WHG: 37.16
    ANE: 15.25

    Using Oracle for K13 I'm closest to Southeast English at 3.18 and West Scottish at 3.20.



    Black Taylor said...My 100% Czech wife, all four grandparents from around Prague

    EEF: 47.09
    WHG: 37.34
    ANE: 15.84



    Anna Lindén said...EEF 36.0823882374
    WHG 46.0219392222
    ANE 17.8956725404

    My ancestors are Swedish (75 %) and Forest-Finnish (25 %).
    December 29, 2013 at 10:19 AM


    Oaie Porc said...1/2 Northern Carpathians (Hutsul), 1/2 Central Moldavian Plateau (Moldavian):

    EEF 57.82%
    WHG 28.41%
    ANE 13.75%

    (Hutsul (suabi thread) 58% EEF, Cucuteni?! Did old farmers had hid in Karpatian mountains from Indo-European invasion?)



    PF said...EEF 88.38918418
    WHG 4.47946179
    ANE 7.131354031

    Ashkenazi



    Erik said...I went back and ran I see where I went wrong last time this is my results

    EEF 47.56158
    WHG 37.10323
    ANE 15.3352



    Unknown said...Here are my results:
    EEF 38%
    WHG 44%
    ANE 18%

    I'm 3/4 Russian from the Urals and 1/4 Western Ukrainian.



    steven perkins said...I am 90% British Isles; and then German, French, Norwegian, Swedish and Forest Finn.

    My results:
    EEF 46.8213013121
    WHG 37.8627939274
    ANE 15.3159047605



    Seth Reeder said...I scored the following:

    51.42894% Early European Farmer
    34.30316% West European Hunter Gatherer
    14.26789% Ancient North Eurasian

    My ancestral background is primarily British Islander (over 75%, mostly recent immigrants - as recent as 1923 and as far back as 1848 - others were colonial).



    Unknown said...My brother-in-law (Russian, Volga-Ural) has an even higher EEF - 40.5% (WHG 42%, ANE 18%). His Siberian is 8.6%. I'm also curious how this component might skew our results.



    Richard Rocca said...My wife is of 100% Polish ancestry by way of her 4 grandparents. Her paternal grandfather is from Zalesie, Podlasie, Poland near the Lithuanian/Belarussian border. He was I2a1b-M423 like the Loschbour hunter-gatherer. Below are are my wife's results which are very close to Davidski:

    EEF 41.83587054
    WHG 40.99387637
    ANE 17.17025309


    About Time said...In case someone wants to make a more detailed heat maps, I applied the WHG-EEF-ANE calc to the Eurogenes K13 populations. Would be fascinating with more granularity IMO.

    Pop,WHG,EEF,ANE
    South_Italian,0.02733,0.90550,0.06717
    Sardinian,0.05557,0.90525,0.03918
    Greek,0.08685,0.82841,0.08474
    Tuscan,0.12640,0.78777,0.08583
    North_Italian,0.17197,0.73381,0.09423
    Chechen,0.13404,0.73139,0.13457
    Lezgin,0.13627,0.72615,0.13757
    Spanish_Andalucia,0.20085,0.70404,0.09511
    Spanish_Extremadura,0.20311,0.69920,0.09769
    Spanish_Murcia,0.21164,0.68912,0.09925
    Bulgarian,0.19977,0.68587,0.11435
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,0.21693,0.68418,0.09889
    Portuguese,0.21736,0.68081,0.10183
    Spanish_Valencia,0.22323,0.67622,0.10054
    Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.22239,0.67581,0.10180
    Spanish_Aragon,0.22730,0.67387,0.09884
    Spanish_Galicia,0.22498,0.67187,0.10315
    Romanian,0.22201,0.65802,0.11997
    Spanish_Cataluna,0.23698,0.65656,0.10647
    Spanish_Cantabria,0.24027,0.65603,0.10370
    Southwest_French,0.25886,0.63356,0.10758
    French_Basque,0.27279,0.62376,0.10346
    Serbian,0.25320,0.61953,0.12727
    French,0.28147,0.59372,0.12480
    Austrian,0.31981,0.53578,0.14442
    Hungarian,0.32590,0.52727,0.14683
    German,0.35565,0.49339,0.15097
    Southwest_English,0.36933,0.48122,0.14946
    Southeast_English,0.36943,0.48017,0.15040
    Dutch,0.37876,0.46572,0.15552
    Ukrainian_West,0.37385,0.46453,0.16162
    Polish,0.38262,0.45401,0.16337
    Irish,0.38833,0.45375,0.15792
    Orcadian,0.38929,0.45359,0.15712
    West_Scottish,0.38972,0.45278,0.15750
    Danish,0.38950,0.45224,0.15826
    Ukrainian,0.38544,0.45055,0.16401
    Ukrainian_Northeast,0.39470,0.43308,0.17222
    Russian,0.40348,0.42597,0.17055
    Swedish,0.41548,0.41670,0.16781
    Norwegian,0.41911,0.41332,0.16757
    Belorussian,0.42288,0.40154,0.17558
    North_Swedish,0.43926,0.38537,0.17537
    Erzya,0.43259,0.38330,0.18411
    Chuvash,0.43540,0.37423,0.19038
    Kargopol_Russian,0.44396,0.37230,0.18373
    Southwest_Finnish,0.45930,0.35855,0.18215
    Lithuanian,0.45655,0.35809,0.18536
    Estonian,0.47345,0.33852,0.18803
    Finnish,0.47345,0.33744,0.18911
    East_Finnish,0.48124,0.32711,0.19164



    About Time said...Good catch wrt Pais Vasco. Paper shows (Extended Data Table 3):

    Pais Vasco 0.163 ANE (Full modeling)
    Spanish 0.123 ANE (Full modeling)
    French 0.135 ANE (Full modeling)

    but reverses in second part of table:

    Pais Vasco 0.136 +/- 0.053 ANE (minimal assumptions)
    Spanish 0.165 +/- .057 ANE (minimal assumptions)
    French 0.142 +/- .046 ANE (minimal assumptions)

    So hard to say much. But if Pais Vasco has more ANE than Spain, that's very interesting.

    Similar ambiguity looking at Greek, Bulgarian, and Albanian ANE numbers in the same tables, by the way.



    Christy from Canada said...My results. My ethnicity Scottish/English/Irish. Although my father's Y-DNA was N. Admix results show significant Mediterranean, Baltic amounts as well
    EEF 47.97800627
    WHG 36.91984567
    ANE 15.10214806



    Locrian said...EEF -- 49.72917
    WHG -- 35.49097
    ANE -- 14.77986

    English — no surprises here at all. Very much in line with other respondents.


    Hermann-Josef Winter said...EEF -- 51,33647
    WHG -- 34,12553
    ANE -- 14,53798

    German - paternal ancestry is fuzzy.



    P.Lett said...My father (Czech republic)
    EEF 50.2653
    WHG 34.6251
    ANE 15.1096

    My mother (Czech republic)
    EEF 46.7602
    WHG 37.1868
    ANE 16.053

    My wife (Ukraina, Russia (West Siberia), Poland )
    EEF 40.429
    WHG 42.0483
    ANE 17.5227



    CPfromEngland said...EEF 49.36
    WHG 35.68
    ANE 14.94

    I'm Englis



    Helgenes50 [email protected]

    My Ancestry is 100 % Normand
    and we have the same results

    EEF 52,40
    WHG 33,72
    ANE 13,87



    CatchingAllTheSouls said...What do you think of mine? I am primarily of English descent:

    EEF 50.79075511
    WHG 34.91653284
    ANE 14.29271205



    EK said...Ancestry: 3/4 Russian, 1/4 AJ

    EEF 52.72%
    WHG 32.35%
    ANE 14.93%



    Suvi-Tuuli Allan said...I'm a Finn from Central Ostrobothnia, Western Finland. My ancestry is mostly from that very same area.

    EEF: 35,0642348634
    WHG: 46,4532070431
    ANE: 18,4825580934



    Guy Jacks said...Ethnicity: Ashkenazi Jewish

    Rounded to results:

    EEF: 88%
    WHG: 5%
    ANE: 7%

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    The SHG (Sandinavian Hunter-gatherers) seem to be having ANE admixture as well;
    Is the Norwegian SHG admixture contained in ANE or is it the 4th admixture showing as separate reading but in small amounts?

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    Is the Norwegian SHG admixture contained in ANE or is it the 4th admixture showing as separate reading but in small amounts?
    It is pretty clear that the Scandinavian hunter gatherers specifically had minority ANE ancestry, there is plenty of evidence. The mtDNA of the Scandinavian and Russian hunter gatherers is very similar, the PWC and Karelian hunter gatherers shared nearly 40% of the exact same mtDNA haplotypes. There was some type of genetic connection between eastern Europe and Scandinavia during the Mesolithic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Is the Norwegian SHG admixture contained in ANE or is it the 4th admixture showing as separate reading but in small amounts?
    That i dont know;
    I just obtained that info from p.10:
    http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/e...01552.full.pdf
    Loschbour and Stuttgart had little or no ANE ancestry, indicating that it was not as pervasive in central Europe around the time of the agricultural transition as it is today. (By implication ANE ancestry was also not present in the ancient Near East; since Stuttgart which has substantial Near Eastern ancestry lacks it.) However, ANE ancestry was already present in at least some Europeans (Scandinavian hunter-gatherers) by ~8,000 years ago, since MA1 shares more alleles with Motala12 than Loschbour: f4 (Motala12; Loschbour; MA1, Mbuti) = 0.003 (Z=5.2 standard errors from zero) (SI12). While SHG may have contributed ANE ancestry to modern Europeans, it cannot have been the only population that did so, as no European population has its lower f3-statistic with it in Table 1, and few populations fit a model of EEF-SHG admixture (SI12)


    And i seriously hope who ever will make this map he/she is not taking the Internet-Blog figures (Eurogense) too seriously especially not in comparison to the actual academic data from the study itself; reasons should be obvious;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody1 View Post
    And i seriously hope who ever will make this map he/she is not taking the Internet-Blog figures (Eurogense) too seriously especially not in comparison to the actual academic data from the study itself; reasons should be obvious;
    What, you've never actually seen any academic studies with obviously bogus results? I can show you several if you're really interested.

    Your constant whining and efforts to appeal to authority are getting tiresome. Try using that noodle of yours for a change.

    Of course, the best thing to do would be to make two maps, one based on the latest Lazaridis et al. figures and another on this updated Eurogenes K13 averages sheet:

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3...5hUlNvNzg/edit

    Then we can see how they correlate with each other and which one makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polako View Post
    What, you've never actually seen any academic studies with obviously bogus results? I can show you several if you're really interested.

    Your constant whining and efforts to appeal to authority are getting tiresome. Try using that noodle of yours for a change.

    Of course, the best thing to do would be to make two maps, one based on the latest Lazaridis et al. figures and another on this updated Eurogenes K13 averages sheet:

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3...5hUlNvNzg/edit

    Then we can see how they correlate with each other and which one makes more sense.
    If it gets too tiresome just quit;
    And obviously you seriously think that the "data" you and your expert Blog create are on par with data from academic sources and proper institutions; funny or sad;

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    Quote Originally Posted by polako View Post

    Of course, the best thing to do would be to make two maps, one based on the latest Lazaridis et al. figures and another on this updated Eurogenes K13 averages sheet:

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3...5hUlNvNzg/edit

    Then we can see how they correlate with each other and which one makes more sense.
    Thanks for the latest numbers.

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