Makin a map of EEF, WHG and ANE admixtures in Europe. Please post your data.

[LeBrok]

On EEF the paper states: Early European Farmer (EEF): apparently this is a hybrid component, the result of mixture between "Basal Eurasians" and a WHG-like population possibly from the Balkans. (possibly from Balkans) how do you know it came from near east (does it say on a paper?).

To be exact EEF is European hybrid, and it was found in Stuttgart. However it has over 80% component which came with first farmers. It is called Early Neolithic Farmer admixture. From archaeology we know that first farmers happened in Near East, and then farming spread to Europe through Balkans. We are yet to physically find and sequence this supposed ENF genome. Though it is pretty sure thing that we will find it there.

This correlates with Maciamo arguing about E-V13 (10,000 ybp), as its peak or roots is south east balkans. And before that its a subclade of M-78 (south east Africa). And M-78 might have crossed (before 10,000 ybp) straight to south east balkans (or even Iberia) and not through Levant and Anatolia.

If E-V13 came with farmers to Balkans, it most likely started in Near East and walked from there to Europe with other farmers of G2a type, as minority clade. If it came to Europe in Mesolithic, then it came as hunter-gatherer. It could have originated in Saharan Africa, then came to Iberia, bringing North African admixture, which was found in some WHGs. When farmers came and acquired V13 from hunter gatherers it could spread around in bigger numbers throughout Europe with farmers.

Looking at E-V13 map, it looks wide spread in every part of Europe, therefore very ancient. It started expansion in Mid Neolithic to my guess, and in direction from South to North.

 

[Sile]

To be exact EEF is European hybrid, and it was found in Stuttgart. However it has over 80% component which came with first farmers. It is called Early Neolithic Farmer admixture. From archaeology we know that first farmers happened in Near East, and then farming spread to Europe through Balkans. We are yet to physically find and sequence this supposed ENF genome. Though it is pretty sure thing that we will find it there.

If E-V13 came with farmers to Balkans, it most likely started in Near East and walked from there to Europe with other farmers of G2a type, as minority clade. If it came to Europe in Mesolithic, then it came as hunter-gatherer. It could have originated in Saharan Africa, then came to Iberia, bringing North African admixture, which was found in some WHGs. When farmers came and acquired V13 from hunter gatherers it could spread around in bigger numbers throughout Europe with farmers.

Looking at E-V13 map, it looks wide spread in every part of Europe, therefore very ancient. It started expansion in Mid Neolithic to my guess, and in direction from South to North.

As yet , there has never been found any E in central europe in neolithic farming times

 

[noUseForAname]

To be exact EEF is European hybrid, and it was found in Stuttgart. However it has over 80% component which came with first farmers. It is called Early Neolithic Farmer admixture. From archaeology we know that first farmers happened in Near East, and then farming spread to Europe through Balkans. We are yet to physically find and sequence this supposed ENF genome. Though it is pretty sure thing that we will find it there.

If E-V13 came with farmers to Balkans, it most likely started in Near East and walked from there to Europe with other farmers of G2a type, as minority clade. If it came to Europe in Mesolithic, then it came as hunter-gatherer. It could have originated in Saharan Africa, then came to Iberia, bringing North African admixture, which was found in some WHGs. When farmers came and acquired V13 from hunter gatherers it could spread around in bigger numbers throughout Europe with farmers.

Looking at E-V13 map, it looks wide spread in every part of Europe, therefore very ancient. It started expansion in Mid Neolithic to my guess, and in direction from South to North.

Recent discoveries in Europe, such as Cyprus and mainland Greece has shown that farming started early in south east Europe. In Franchthi Cavein Greece there are no certain gathering of plant foods attested before c. 11,000bc, although large numbers of seeds of the Boraginaceae family may come from plants gathered to furnish soft bedding or for the dye which their roots may have supplied. First appearing at c. 11,000bc are lentils, vetch, pistachios, and almonds. Then c. 10,500bc appear a few very rare seeds of wild oats and wild barley. Neither wild oats nor wild barley become at all common until c. 7000bc^[19][20] in Cyprus. The oldest agricultural settlement ever found on a Mediterranean island has been discovered in Klimonas. between 9100 and 8600 bc

Anthropological and archaeological evidence from sites across Southwest Asia and North Africa indicate use of wild grain (e.g., from the c. 20,000bc site of Ohalo II in Israel, many Natufian sites in the Levant and from sites along the Nile in the 10th millennium bc).
It was not until after 9500 bc that the eight so-called founder crops of agriculture appear: first emmer and einkorn wheat, then hulled barley, peas,lentils, bitter vetch, chick peas and flax. These eight crops occur more or less simultaneously on Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) sites in the Levant
By 7000 bc, sowing and harvesting reached Mesopotamia.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture

What i understand is not the near East (considering Syria, Anatolia, Mesopotamia) but the far north east Africa (M-78 peak) and the very south west Levant like Ohalo.
So that might mean that by 10,000 BC there was already farming in the far south east Balkans that came from north east Africa and the far south west Levant.
It looks like the peak was south east Africa which at the same time spread in one direction at Crete and then Peloponnese (reaching south East Europe without going across through Levant and Anatolia) and the other group spread through Levant Syria and reached Mesopotamia by 7,000 BC. It might be that this second group may not be E-V13 or M-78 in majority as nowadays this group has minimal %.

It also correlates with M-78 and E-V13 link through north east Africa and not the other way around through north Levant and Anatolia.

Maybe not as a minority as you mention because who else was there before G2a I2a1 and E-V13 and with higher numbers?, i Would suppose (at early Neolithic through mid Neolithic) the Majority in Europe (excluding current Russia) was:
1: I2a1 & I1
2: E-V13
3: G2a1 (dont know why or how by today is still low)
4: R1b (became a majority in Europe after 4,000 ybp)
5: R1a (pushed more south to current Europe from Today Russia after around 4,000 ybp)
J2 not much info, (probably came in more numbers after the bronze age)

 

[Tomenable]

don’t have much info about R1a, and J2 (probably came much later)

???

There is a sample of R1a from Karelia (7500 years old), three samples of R1a near the Belarusian-Russian border (one 6000 years old and two 4500 years old). Then there are six R1a samples from Corded Ware cultures in East Germany (4 samples) and Poland (2 samples), then one R1a sample from the Lusatian culture and two from another of Urnfield cultures - all from period 4800 - 3000 years ago.

Check this thread if you want to see maps:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...thic-Early-Iron-Age-Y-DNA-landscape-of-Europe

 

[Tomenable]

These are locations of ancient DNA samples of R1a and R1b haplogroups found so far, from period 8000 - 2000 years ago:

The two oldest samples - 7500 ybp (from Southern Deer Island, Lake Onega, Karelia) and 6000 ybp (found near the city of Velizh) were hunter-gatherers.

Samples of R1a from Poland and East Germany were found in the context of Copper-Bronze Age Corded Ware cultures (4600 ybp, 4400 ybp and 4000 ybp), as well as the Lusatian Culture (3100 ybp). Samples of R1b from Germany were found in the context of Copper-Bronze Age Bell Beaker cultures (4500 ybp and 4300 ybp):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaker_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusatian_culture

Only the burial site belonging to Urnfield cultural horizon located near Dorste (3000 ybp) happened to contain both R1a (x2) and R1b (x1):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture

The most important of all settlements of the Lusatian Culture found so far, was Biskupin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biskupin

 

[Tomenable]

These are locations of ancient DNA samples of R1a and R1b haplogroups found so far, from period 8000 - 2000 years ago:

And modern dominant haplogroups by country for comparison - R1b is pink here (while R1a is red like before):

 

[noUseForAname]

And modern dominant haplogroups by country for comparison - R1b is pink here (while R1a is red like before):

I meant early Neolithic through mid Neolithic and if excluding current Russia and the far north east Belarus.

Still looks like as below (early Neolithic through mid Neolithic) the Majority in Europe (excluding current Russia) was:
1: I2a1 & I1
2: E-V13
3: G2a1 (dont know why or how by today is still low)
4: R1b (became a majority in Europe after 4,000 ybp)
5: R1a (pushed more south to current Europe from Today Russia after around 4,500 ybp)
J2 not much info, (probably came in more numbers after the bronze age)


By the way Croatia has much more I* then R1a....

 

[RobertColumbia]

with these numbers
...
0.713 0.125 0.163 -- Pais_Vasco ..................................hmm, does it mean Paese Vasconic in Italian...I know its basque area?
....

"País vasco" is simply Spanish for "Basque Country".

 

[Moi-même]

I'm mostly French Canadian, with wee little bit of Scot, Dutch, Austrian, English, Portugese, Abenaki and Ojibwe.

EEF 61%
WHG 27%
ANE 12%

 

[Rethel]

And modern dominant haplogroups by country for comparison - R1b is pink here (while R1a is red like before):

A map, where R1 is treated as one clade would be much truer,
than artificial deviding these both on two separate groups.

In such case:

 

[Twilight]

Here is my WHG/ENF/ANE/CHG spreadsheet according to MDLP K13 Ultimate


WHG: 27.56
ENF: 41.42
ANE: 21.42
CHG: 9.61

 

[Goga]

Nice! According to MDLP the results are:

1	ANE	33.37
2	Caucas-Gedrosia	33.26
3	ENF	13.61
4	NearEast	12.62
5	ASI	3.99
6	WHG-UHG	2.03
7	Subsaharian	1.07
8	Paleo-African	0.06

 

[Promenade]

WHG-UHG 26.75
ENF 42.59
Caucas-Gedrosia 5.28
ANE 23.09
Near East 1.59

Do you need any more info?

 

[Northener]

@ Lebrok @Firehaired I think your remarks are very accurat. In most Gedmatch test I have usually more 'outmost' NW European scores than average in my region North Dutch (which is already part of the NW Euro genepool). I guess Le Brok is right with 'still some enclaves of pure WHG roaming around.' I guess that the difference is that I got more ancestors from this HG pockets around the North Sea (The Swifterbant/Ertbølle culture).

Quote:

'From around 8,500 BP, these hunter-fisher-gatherers of the North Sea and the Baltic began to achieve ever higher levels of population density and social complexity that would put them on a par with farming peoples farther south. They were thus able to stop the advance of farming for two to three thousand years:


After a rapid spread across Central Europe, […] farming communities came to a halt in the North European Plain, leaving the coastal areas of the North Sea occupied by hunter-gatherers. […]


This could not have been due to ecological conditions. The frontier extends across a uniform geographical area, and the soils of southern Scandinavia are, in many places, light, fertile, and favorable for cultivation […]. The reason for the delay must be sought in the late Mesolithic communities of the region. Although regional differences exist […], hunter-gatherers in the southern Baltic region are likely to have had a greater population density than central European foragers […], larger and more permanent settlements […], and a complex economic pattern involving specialized extraction camps, seasonal scheduling, and seasonally intensive use of specific resources […] (Zvelebil and Dolukhanov, 1991)


These North Sea and Baltic peoples were semi-sedentary. Most of them lived from spring to fall in large coastal agglomerations where they fished, sealed, and collected shellfish. They then dispersed to small inland hunting stations (Price, 1991). Johansen (2006) has argued for a higher degree of mobility: “a number of small groups rotating between sites on a seasonal basis within a confined territory, but perhaps periodically aggregating at key localities.” Bang-Andersen (1996) states: “In certain areas such as the seaboard of central West Norway, particularly resource-rich marine and terrestrial environments may have made it possible to stay within restricted parts of the region all the year round on a diffuse sedentary basis.” Most areas, however, had “a permanent or semi-permanent base camp on the coast, a certain number of extended extraction sites for seasonal hunting, gathering and fishing activities, a larger amount of transitory sites, and an almost indefinite number of special purpose sites or single-activity loci.”

I think the migrations and influx where in the Netherlands bigger than in the Balticum. In the Northern-Netherlands is this slightly different, and especially in my case more "stubborn HG"

Feel free to comment.

My 'facts and figures'.

WHG_ANE_EEF

EEF 44%
WHG 40%
ANE 16%

Close to Norsemen and Orcadian.

K13
1 Danish @ 1.742467
2 North_Dutch @ 2.503399
3 Norwegian @ 2.936815
4 North_German @ 4.368844
5 Orcadian @ 4.697951


MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.61
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.62
3 Caucasian 23.45
4 South_Central_Asian 4.35
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.63

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 2.702885
2 Dane @ 4.053313
3 Swede @ 4.753368
4 Dutch @ 4.838142
5 Norwegian_East @ 5.059787

Eurogenes ANE K7
Population
ANE 16.45
ASE 2.17
WHG-UHG 66.77
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.10
East_African 0.76
ENF 13.75

Quote above from: http://evoandproud.blogspot.nl/2013/12/origins-of-northwest-european-guilt.html

Before IE invasion there was only WHG and EEF admixtures in Ireland. For most northerly European countries, where farming came late, the ratio was close to 50/50. For south Europeans the admixtures were overwhelmingly EEF.

There was more WHG in NW Europe. In Neolithic it might not have been mixed evenly through population yet, with still some enclaves of pure WHG roaming around. Farming came late there and had few collapses letting Hunter-Gatherers recover and mix with farmers later.

Impossible, although they had some (minority). Otherwise you can't explain about 12% level of ANE in Southern Europe and almost nothing WHG. I think IE came with ration 1 to 4, one IE to 4 locals. Assuming that they were roughly 50/50 EEF/ANE, coming from Yamna culture. Indo Iranians from farther east could have been much higher on ANE scale.

 

[Joey D]

East Sicilian:

EEF - 87.7
WHG - 4.8
ANE - 7.5

 

[Dibran]

(Albanian)


EEF: 78.45833506
WHG: 12.82318721
(ANE: 8.718477732

 

[Apsurdistan]

I don't see the MDLP k13 ultimate on Gedmatch.
But the Eurogenes ANE-k7 is

ANE 15.71 ASE 2.17 WHG-UHG 54.48 East_Eurasian 0.13 West_African 0.58 East_African 0.45 ENF 26.49

 

[tahir0010]

I don't see the MDLP k13 ultimate on Gedmatch.
But the Eurogenes ANE-k7 is

ANE 15.71 ASE 2.17 WHG-UHG 54.48 East_Eurasian 0.13 West_African 0.58 East_African 0.45 ENF 26.49

Our K7 is almost the exact same everything except my east Africa is 1 percent everything else is basically the same.

 

[Dibran]

In order to make such maps we need a lot of data from all over the Europe. By the nature of this data collection it will be a self reporting project. It is not the best way, but it might be the only way to gather data for these maps. Please post your EEF, WHG, EEF numbers with place of birth, or place of birth of your parents if they came from different region than you were born in.

Little explanation of these admixtures:

These admixtures can roughly tell you about your origin.
WHG - West Hunter Gatherers, were the Mesolithic Europeans spread pretty much all over the Europe around 10 to 5 thousand BCE.
EEF - Early European Farmers, were the Neolithic inhabitants of Europe, the first farmers who came 10 thousand years ago from Near East and first settled in Balkans and the rest of South Europe. In next 5 thousand years they've spread to every corner of Europe.
ANE - Ancient North Eurasians, the hunter-gatherers and nomads from far East Europe and Central Asia. Latest research papers point to Indo-Europeans bringing ANE to every place in Europe.

Example:
Poland, Siedlce (country, city or region)
EEF - 45
WHG - 39
ANE - 16

One can say that I'm 39% very ancient European, 45% farmer from Near East, and 16% Indo-European. Or that I'm 55% Hunter-Gatherer and 45% Farmer.

More information:
http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/eef-whg-ane-test-for-europeans.html

Some data from the paper by Lazaridis:
EEF WHG ANE
0.781 0.092 0.127 -- Albanian
0.931 0 0.069 -- Ashkenazi_Jew
0.593 0.293 0.114 -- Basque
0.418 0.431 0.151 -- Belorussian
0.715 0.177 0.108 -- Bergamo
0.712 0.147 0.141 -- Bulgarian
0.561 0.293 0.145 -- Croatian
0.495 0.338 0.167 -- Czech
0.495 0.364 0.141 -- English
0.322 0.495 0.183 -- Estonian
0.554 0.311 0.135 -- French
0.675 0.195 0.13 -- French_South
0.792 0.058 0.151 -- Greek
0.558 0.264 0.179 -- Hungarian
0.394 0.456 0.15 -- Icelandic
0.364 0.464 0.172 -- Lithuanian
0.932 0 0.068 -- Maltese
0.411 0.428 0.161 -- Norwegian
0.457 0.385 0.158 -- Orcadian
0.713 0.125 0.163 -- Pais_Vasco
0.817 0.175 0.008 -- Sardinian
0.39 0.428 0.182 -- Scottish
0.903 0 0.097 -- Sicilian
0.809 0.068 0.123 -- Spanish
0.746 0.136 0.118 -- Tuscan
0.462 0.387 0.151 -- Ukrainian




The above bolded averages in the quote correlate to my, and my fathers closest matches in each category(EEF/WHG/ANE). These populations are generally my closest matches on calculators. My Albanian friend from Montenegro has his matches as follows:

EEF: Bergamo/Bulgarian/Pais_Vasco
WHG:Sardinian/Bergamo/Bulgarian/Tuscan
ANE:Albanian/Pais_Vasco/Tuscan

My Results:

23andme:

Results
EEF	78.45833506
WHG	12.82318721
ANE	8.718477732

Ftdna:

Results
EEF	78.329568
WHG	12.93375231
ANE	8.736679685

LivingDNA:

Results
EEF	79.76227246
WHG	11.71076172
ANE	8.526965822

My Father:

Results
EEF	79.32319515
WHG	12.02980746
ANE	8.646997384

Albanian friend from Montenegro:

Results
EEF	71.43663676
WHG	17.73119421
ANE	10.83216903

 

[Lukas]

I saw in this thread few Polish results and there are nearly identical as mine:

EEF	42,989893959
WHG	40,0040929498
ANE	17,0060130912