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    Quote Originally Posted by Promenade View Post
    See, this is exactly what I meant. Instead of addressing the reality of the situation it’s become a farfetched dichotomy with a loaded question of either being for or against human rights. So I guess western leaders from Trudeau to Macron are all violating human rights when they urge Kurds to stick to the federalist model instead of doing something brash that could further destabilize the region.

    The Kurds already have an autonomous state within Iraq, a Prime Minister, full control over their domestic affairs and even their own military. They stand little to gain from declaring an independent state other than sparking war and possibly losing all these things. I think the Kurds in Rojava understand this a lot better and that’s why they are wisely seeking federalism and autonomy rather than statehood.(Although I worry about their future with Turkey looming nearby) They also respect the fact they occupy an ethnically diverse area not solely belonging to the Kurdish people and inhabited by people who don’t want to trade an Alawite domination for a Kurdish one, even if both governments are secular. In a perfect world would there be an independent Kurdish state? Perhaps in a perfect world there would be an independent state for all groups of people who demand it, but in a realistic world all that independence achieves here is further jeopardizing stability in the middle east. In fact I think it would be a greater miracle to see a democratic federalist state achieve some kind of long term functionality in the middle east rather than see Kurdistan break from Iraq.

    Hρακλειτος , Heraclitus of Ephessos,
    said something about chance, oportunity, occasion

    Ποταμώ ουκ έστιν εμβήναι δις τω αυτώ
    meaning you can not enter for second time to the same river, cause river change.

    and
    Ήθος ανθρώπω δαίμων
    character is faith of human.

    I respect your opinion,
    Although I do not share it,
    I believe that West must help them to make their first steps to an open democratic and free country,
    otherwise, it is like tell them, you are not a worthy nation,

    their previous 'river' was the times of Sykes Piquot,
    they lost it,
    now they have the chance to enter the same but another 'river',
    their character is their faith,

    and I agree with you that a new state will make a new power there,
    something that Bankers and many corporations do not want,
    and they might even get into a civil war, tribes vs tribes or party vs party since they might have no occupation forces,
    BUT ISN"T THAT HAPPENING IN WEST?

    I still insist that WEST has a chance to make a new democracy there,
    away from the protypes of typical Middle east dictators of previous era,
    and produce a more open country as a frontier to radical Islamic-theocratic forces,
    we must take them by hand, and lead them,
    not kick them back,
    or say to them, ''yes you did help us but now that we don't need you more, you are unwanted''.

    and whatever result, I believe West must build universities, free thinking centers, embassies, open new trade routes,
    powerplants, etc etc

    we own to them, they don't.
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    to people who has pure dream, but not rationality

    How they gave referandum realism
    "68 out of 111 lawmakers attended the session with Gorran boycotting it"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_...7#cite_note-43

    Barzani is Kurdish Erdoğan or other type of Middle Eastern dictator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    to people who has pure dream, but not rationality
    Rationality in terms:

    What is good for Turkey it is rationality.

    Otherwise (for example in Kurdish case) it is a dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    to people who has pure dream, but not rationality

    How they gave referandum realism
    "68 out of 111 lawmakers attended the session with Gorran boycotting it"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_...7#cite_note-43

    Barzani is Kurdish Erdoğan or other type of Middle Eastern dictator.

    No matter Erdogan is a strange personality,
    He is elected, and his 'power' has a time limit, every few years.
    that is why although I admit that Erdogan is a strange person,
    I supported him against the military actions few years before,
    it is a good start to understand what is Democracy,
    which is not always perfect.
    and yes democracy can easily be cheated,
    and some may easily turn it to a strange form,
    but even this have a time limit and elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    Rationality in terms:What is good for Turkey it is rationality.Otherwise (for example in Kurdish case) it is a dream.
    I explain my thought in the previous posts "Kurds could be easliy took more authonomy and even gain authonomy for Ezidi people in Sincar and able to create special statues for Mosul and Kerkuk so these cities wouldn't face any Arabisation policy as in Saddam period." I am lefting to you to think that how much good these for Turkey.and totally yes, if declaration of independence now is the issue, it is a dream.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    No matter Erdogan is a strange personality,He is elected, and his 'power' has a time limit, every few years.
    Erdoğan could't be a leader in his party after the his second term then he elected as president then he changed entire system of the country and brought presidence system, because in the previous system president didn't have power.when the issue is power, your immagination is very low. Barzani also needed to left his seat, but because of ISIS, he didn't and this referandum was just a cheap populist act.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    that is why although I admit that Erdogan is a strange person,I supported him against the military actions few years before,
    ??? Do you mean comedy show of military coup ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    it is a good start to understand what is Democracy,which is not always perfect.and yes democracy can easily be cheated,and some may easily turn it to a strange form,but even this have a time limit and elections
    About Democracy,The biggest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter.–Winston ChurchillEven very fasict, extreme-nationalist people form each minority, wants to be independence. The real humanism is find the way to life in together same as Bosnian students... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...ucationHowever is it over, notSame as Quebec or Scotland they held referandums and people who wants to independence lost the referandum but some of them still want it. so similar with Kurds, especially South Kurdistan who has already taste of authonomy. They won't stop. There are just a few country had a chance to take their independence with law, so independence mostly was gained, not given. Just stop dramatize the issue more then it is. The drama was Ezidi womens' situations, not the Iraq taking over own land. If they move more to Erbil, yes it will be drama. I hope, it won't.All I said is, it was not the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    I explain my thought in the previous posts "Kurds could be easliy took more authonomy and even gain authonomy for Ezidi people in Sincar and able to create special statues for Mosul and Kerkuk so these cities wouldn't face any Arabisation policy as in Saddam period." I am lefting to you to think that how much good these for Turkey.and totally yes, if declaration of independence now is the issue, it is a dream. Erdoğan could't be a leader in his party after the his second term then he elected as president then he changed entire system of the country and brought presidence system, because in the previous system president didn't have power.when the issue is power, your immagination is very low. Barzani also needed to left his seat, but because of ISIS, he didn't and this referandum was just a cheap populist act.??? Do you mean comedy show of military coup ?About Democracy,The biggest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter.–Winston ChurchillEven very fasict, extreme-nationalist people form each minority, wants to be independence. The real humanism is find the way to life in together same as Bosnian students... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...ucationHowever is it over, not Same as Quebec or Scotland they held referandums and people who wants to independence lost the referandum but some of them still want it. so similar with Kurds, especially South Kurdistan who has already taste of authonomy. They won't stop. There are just a few country had a chance to take their independence with law, so independence mostly was gained, not given. Just stop dramatize the issue more then it is. The drama was Ezidi womens' situations, not the Iraq taking over own land. If they move more to Erbil, yes it will be drama. I hope, it won't.All I said is, it was not the time
    the Yezidi is another story,
    recognised and protected even by ridiculous UN

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    Lebrock the comparison you make here is questionable, but I also understand the argument you are making here. The problem here I've already outlined, essentially it would do more harm than good for the Kurds to become an independent state. They can still exercise freedom as a people within the structure of an Iraqi state. Anything more would be harmful to geopolitics and the Middle East specifically.

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    oh boy

    US h. Truman is moving to Syrria,
    the elite of US navy and airforce (aircarrier)

    3 more Russian ships passed Helespontos today.

    huge force is gathered there,

    and is growing,

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    God preserve.

    ...I was searching for a specific thread (with the "great" searching function) and randomly saw this, could not hold back my opinion.

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