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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Then also, why only R1b?
    It's not. See post #77 of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    It's not. See post #77 of this thread.
    Regarding Ojibwe specifically though it's around 3/4, with basically no signs of any other Eurasian Y DNA. Can't be Viking without I1, R1a etc. And Celtic is unlikely to me, but possible I suppose. Someone should just check their SNPs, as I said. It would be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Regarding Ojibwe specifically though it's around 3/4, with basically no signs of any other Eurasian Y DNA.
    Source please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    Source please?
    Well it's on this map (all that R is R1b), and everyone refers to a 79% figure online, but I can't find the source (mainly because I don't have time) - it's probably true though, you can look it up I guess



    Compare to this:


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    Here's another interesting thing (though I doubt it's related to this R1b migration I'm proposing) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calaba..._and_dispersal

    The mystery of the bottle gourd —– namely that this African or Eurasian species was being grown in the Americas over 8,000 years ago[12] —– comes from the difficulty in understanding how it arrived in the Americas. The bottle gourd was originally thought to have drifted across the Atlantic Ocean from Africa to North and South America (laughable idea), but genetic research on archeological samples published by the National Academy of Sciences in December 2005 suggested that it may have been domesticated earlier than food crops and livestock and, like dogs, was brought into the New World at the end of the ice age by the native Paleo-Indians (too early, probably later East Asians, or maybe even something related to Dene-Yeniseian). This study showed that gourds in American archaeological finds appeared to be closer to Asian variants than to African ones.[4]



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    As for Solutrean - I'm not sure. Despite the Anzick sample I'm inclined to believe in it: I REALLY hate the idea of independent inventions.

    Clovis toolmaking technology appears in the archaeological record in much of North America between 12,800 and 13,500 years ago. Older blades with this attribute have yet to be discovered from sites in either Asia or Alaska.[4]


    Haplogroup X2 is by far the most frequent and widespread subclade. Its basal branches (including X2f) are largely restricted to the Near East, the Caucasus, and northern Africa, but the main subclade of X2, defined by a transition at position 225 in HVS-II, includes Near Eastern, north-African, and European-specific subclades, as well as the X2a subclade, famously restricted to Native Americans. The root of X2+225 is probably the major founder sequence for dispersals involving haplogroup X, and its age of ∼21 ka offers an upper bound for the time of these dispersals.45 A curious feature of the tree is the possible connection of X2a to the north-African clade X2j through a mutation at position 12,397. However, this mutation might be a recurrence; X2j appears to be extremely recent. The rare X2g, also found only in Native Americans, indicates that the spread from the Near East toward the Americas could have begun as early as the emergence of the X2+225 clade, given that this could have been the only founder sequence.
    Definitely not R1b even if true though

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    Out of context reading is...
    Last edited by ToBeOrNotToBe; 11-02-19 at 02:24.

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    Very stupid
    Last edited by ToBeOrNotToBe; 11-02-19 at 02:24.

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    You realize that's a joke, right?

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    I'm at a loss for words.


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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm at a loss for words.
    Lol my bad g i cant read

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    R1b and Native Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Lol my bad g i cant read
    Fuhgeddaboudit :)
    (forget about it)
    It’s about: Comprehension.
    It doesn’t apply in this case, or to you (maybe):
    If it makes you feel better, on average I Google 1 word out of 30 when I read academic intensive papers in English.

    Nobody talks like that.

    Sometimes I get the impression that they do it on purpose, they use technical words even when it's not necessary. Snobs.

    So many unnecessary arguments are caused by the lack of understanding of these documents, Especially for those struggling in English. Goggle Translate Included.

    imo I speak Italian (obviously) and English better than Google Translate. lol
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