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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    There is no I2c in the Balkan.
    Ossetian I is I2a not c.
    I2c of Caucasus/Anatolia originated in Balkans.
    Ossetian I2c - Mamsurov and Salbiev https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ion=ycolorized

    Where did you come with I2a among Ossetians? link plz

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    There is no I2c in the Balkan.
    Ossetian I is I2a not c.
    There isn't much I2c in the Balkans nowadays, but I imagine there was once at least a reasonable amount of at least I2c PF3881- (the branch that is present in West Asia). This seems to be reflected by its ~5% levels in Crete. (Although admittedly STRs from Crete are in short supply, and it's possible that theirs could reflect a founder effect, possibly from a period as late as the Republic of Venice period--hm.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    There isn't much I2c in the Balkans nowadays, but I imagine there was once at least a reasonable amount of at least I2c PF3881- (the branch that is present in West Asia). This seems to be reflected by its ~5% levels in Crete. (Although admittedly STRs from Crete are in short supply, and it's possible that theirs could reflect a founder effect, possibly from a period as late as the Republic of Venice period--hm.)
    How much I2c is in the Balkans? Is there anny I2a and I2c aDNA from Balkans?You are obsessed with Balkans.Is the 10% I2a in Kara Nogays from Balkans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    How much I2c is in the Balkans?
    I2c ranges from 0% to the 1-5% range (usually closer to 1%) depending on the population in the Balkans. I tried to map it out before here, although admittedly that project could use an update, and I was never able to completely separate I2c from I2b-L415.

    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    Is there anny I2a and I2c aDNA from Balkans?
    No, there's not any ancient Y-DNA from the Balkans to speak of really.

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    You are obsessed with Balkans.
    Not particularly. I like slivovitz though, yum.

    Quote Originally Posted by gyms View Post
    Is the 10% I2a in Kara Nogays from Balkans?
    I would assume that it has a common source with Russian I2a, but I haven't studied it closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    No, there's not any ancient Y-DNA from the Balkans to speak of really.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/9995...2463355698813/
    Neolithic Starčevo(Balkanian Neolithic) have G2a G2a2b I2a1 and F*
    Andrew Millard:
    "Roy the slides were moving pretty quickly so my notes are incomplete. I don't think there were Mesolithic Gs. For the 7 Starcevo samples I only got as far as noting F* G2a G2a2b I2a1 before things moved on. There were others. There is a paper in press in Proceedings of the British Academy vol.198."


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    I'm at the International Symposium on Biomolecular Archaeology and I thought some here would like summaries of the human DNA papers (abstracts with author details are available athttps://ipna.unibas.ch/archgen/isba14/) .
    Maria Spyrou presented on the 8th-10th century AD site of Venosa in southern Italy. They recovered 22 full mitogenomes representing 17 haplogroups. This is remarkably diverse, but not statistically different from modern populations from Europe, N Africa & the Near East except Algeria, Basque & Saudi Arabia. Conclusion: today's European mitochondrial diversity dates back to at least the 8th century.
    Anna Szécsényi-Nagy presented data from 9 Y chromosomal samples (25 SNPs defiing major haplogroups) and 84 mitochondrial HVS-I DNA profiles from Mesolithic, Neolithic Starčevo and LBK sites (7-6th millennium BC) from Hungary and Croatia. For mtDNA the Neolithic haplogroup frequencies differ from northern European hunter gather-populations but they are similar in the spread to the northern, slightly later Linear Band Keramik sites, with slight differences in frequencies. The Y-chromosome data showed a high frequency of haplogroup G, and closest affinity to Caucasus & Sardinians in modern populations.
    Helena Malmstrom reported mtDNA HVS-I sequences from Funnel Beaker (TRB) & Pitted Ware Cultures. The PWC hunter-gatheres differ in haplogroup frequency from farmers but are similar to Mesolithic huntergatherers elsewhere in Europe. The TRB farmers are similar to central European LBK farmers, but both differ from Iberian farmers. Conclusion: migration is part of Neolithisation
    Karonla Kirsanow presented on the origins of depigmented skin and eyes in Europeans using samples from the Upper Palaeolithic to the Bronze Age. The data show that depigmentation alleles arose and were common but not universal well before agriculture arrived in Europe, but the eye & skin colour changes were independent as there are individuals with all possible combinations of derived/ancestral skin/eye alleles. There is a mtDNA division between east and west Europe which is also reflected in depigmentation with a higher frequency of depigmented skin in the east and depigmented eyes in the west. There were high frequencies of skin depigmentation alleles by the Bronze Age which agrees with previous identification of these markers as under recent strong selection. There is a general trend to depigmentation over time. Demographic processes must be important but it is not clear what is driving the selection of depigmentation.
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    Cool, so that means we'll be getting some results from the Neolithic Balkans, modern Serbia soon?

    G2a, I2a, and F would make the samples consistent with other European Neolithic samples we've seen. It will be interesting to see if there is subclade information for the I2a1. I2-M26 seems like the safer bet to me, but could it be something that looks like I2a-Din?

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    I2a-Din is very young subclade, from Iron age.
    But Neolithic "Grand Father" of
    I2a-Din possibly were there

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    Cool, so that means we'll be getting some results from the Neolithic Balkans, modern Serbia soon?

    G2a, I2a, and F would make the samples consistent with other European Neolithic samples we've seen. It will be interesting to see if there is subclade information for the I2a1. I2-M26 seems like the safer bet to me, but could it be something that looks like I2a-Din?
    I think we should start seeing more E1b with EV13 samples. I'll be surprised if much I2a will show up in Neolithic farmers (well till late Neolithic), unless samples are from HG caves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I think we should start seeing more E1b with EV13 samples. I'll be surprised if much I2a will show up in Neolithic farmers (well till late Neolithic), unless samples are from HG caves.
    According to one theory, the I2a remains from the early Neolithic should be found in the same general area as the Neolithic farmers, but in separate settlements along a seashore or river where they could have make a living from fishing without coming into conflict with the farmers who were using their former hunting lands. The I2a folk would then have gradually mixed with the other haplotypes.

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    Still no R1a/R1b in Stone-Age Europe. I guess there is no point expecting to see any anymore. Also another hint that E-v13 came from Spain in the Balkans (5000 BC sample), not from Anatolia.

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    http://dienekes.blogspot.gr/2014/09/...-of-early.html
    Three STA individuals belong to the NRY haplogroup F* (M89) and two specimens can be assigned to the G2a2b (S126) haplogroup, and one each to G2a (P15) and I2a1 (P37.2) (Dataset S3, S5). The two investigated LBKT samples carry haplogroups G2a2b (S126) and I1 (M253). Furthermore, the incomplete SNP profiles of eight specimens potentially belong to the same haplogroups; STA: three G2a2b (S126), two G2a (P15), and one I (M170); LBKT: one G2a2b (S126) and one F* (M89) (Dataset S5).

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    Interesting. We need more samples to see.

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    "The migrations of the Alans during the 4th–5th centuries AD, from their homeland in the North Caucasus. Major settlement areas are shown in yellow, Alan civilian emigration in red, and military campaigns in orange."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    G2a3b1 ( L497 ) is an Austrian marker as per this rootsi paper ..............it is 80% of Austria
    I don't know if I understood you right. 80% of Austrians belonging to G are L497, but this is different from saying that L497 is an Austrian marker or that 80% of it are in Austria.
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